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Most people don't relate to themselves in the context of history. They would wipe the slate clean with their own innocent birth and hope that everyone else do the same.
 
When one group commits atrocities against another, are individual members of that group responsible? Even if the entire population of the group has been individually replaced?
 
You can't really make up for the past. Take American slavery as an example. Most whites today feel no special advantage, and why should they?
 
The playing field hasn't exactly been leveled, but the landscape is changing. Government apologies miss the victims they are owed to by generations. There isn't enough money to make it right, and money isn't the answer to historic wrongs done generations ago. But we can all make an effort to appreciate where we came from and where, together, we might go.
 
What can you do to help make up for the past wrongs committed by your father, your mother, your grandparents and theirs?
 
Or do you simply brush it all aside?
 
 
 


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  • somethingunUSual said on Jun 17, 2008....
    First you've gotta prove there WAS a crime. Like this Armenian genocide, so-called. If it was a genocide, then who are all these "Armenians" protesting it?
  • celestialspace2001 said on Jun 17, 2008....
     
    My ancestors are innocent. They're Irish. WHo the heck did WE hurt? Nobody!!! However I'm willing to accept an apology from any Brit on their behalf...
     
  • HoleInTheCosmos said on Jun 17, 2008....
    I obviously did not perpetrate the Holocaust. Yet Germans, some of who must be my relatives, surely did. But how can I, decades later, be assumed responsible? Are we talking reincarnation? Any direct "benefits" dervived from that sad exercise are long vanished. Only by being kind to Jewish people can I "compensate" for the bad behavior of my relatives. Other than that, I AM INNOCENT. I rest my case.
  • StoneMaster said on Jun 17, 2008....
    okay here's my defense----let's say my brother commits a murder? Nobody would say that I should go to prison because my brother killed somebody, would they? But my brother is closer to me than some ancient ancestor, no? If my dad kills somebody, HE goes to prison, not me. Why should I go? It's crazy. It makes no sense. Even if my dad wiped out 20 people in a mass murder, no one is going to say "Hey we'd better lock up the whole family - you just never know!" So why would it make any more sense to come after me for shit that my relatives did a hundred years ago? That's really insane, and I can't imagine anyone defending that position. Go ahead anyone, defend it. Come on....I dare ya!!!!!!
  • TheNakedProfessor said on Jun 17, 2008....
     
    Accessories to crime are prosecuted all the time. If you could be proven to have known what dad was up to and did nothing to stop him or warn others, you could be prosecuted.
     
  • desdemona said on Jun 17, 2008....
    tnp i want to know what your ancestors did and to whom????
  • TheUndergroundEagle said on Jun 17, 2008....
    WIthout a sense of history (and most people don't think two minutes about history) there is no sense of perspective on what has gone down before you got here. You are part of a family, that family is part of an ethnic group, that ethnic group is part of a nation, and that nation is part of a world. Everyone is very content to inherit the good things and very reluctant to acknowledge the bad. But if you aren't willing to grasp it all, then you're an opportunist and whatever your ignorance brings upon you is deserved.
  • TheNakedProfessor said on Jun 17, 2008....
     
    Des - I am in the position of not knowing exactly what or who all of my ancestors are which poses a new dilemma....
     
    Do we DNA test me and hold me responsible for whomever it turns out was in my past?
     
    I'll tell you where I'm coming from on this. A clean slate. That's right, I say everyone gets a free pass at birth. No reparations, no apologies, nothing. I am not responsible for anything done by anyone else, biological ties or not - except, apparently, my offspring until they turn 18. And even that is questionable.
     
  • CreativeWoman said on Jun 17, 2008....
    I think that the best I can do is to see the error of my ancestors' ways and do my best to influence this and future generations to do better so that history does not repeat itself.  I can do that by living a life where I treat people as I want to be treated.

    CW

  • Wish_Upon_A_Star said on Jun 18, 2008....
    My family is Irish and Spanish- with both sides coming here only a few generations ago. They were not here during slavery or any of the other things, so I'm not quite sure how i should be held responsible simply because of my ancestry.
    One other thing i am bothered by is that it is put as white. What race is white?
  • RollingC said on Jun 18, 2008....
    I say that we have no real guilt of what someone else does unless we contribute directly to it.
    Back in the 1980's the Argentinian goverment was having a terrorist problem.  They solved the problem the military way.  They killed every terrorist they could get their hands on.  That also included the friends and family members of the said terrorist that could've had a chance of contributing to the terrorists activities or even helping or giving food and shelter.
    People simply disappeared in the middle of the night.
    They were however, humanly rightous enough to recognize the innocence of a small child or an unborn baby of a pregnant female terrorist.  In that case they would allow the female terrorist to have the baby and then she would disappear into the night (executed). They then made every effort to have that child adopted by a family that was willing to lovingly raise the kid with no knowledge of the past or the real parents.
    Years later, things changed yet again in Argentina and a movement was started protesting the ' desaparecidos ' (the disappeared) by distant relatives and friends of such.  It got to the point that some of the children were recovered and re-united with their real relatives but no real retribution was carried out.
     
    What kind of retribution could be made in cases like this except starting a movement to educate everyone against oppression of other human beings regardless of race or creed so it doesn't happen again?
  • Expendable said on Jun 18, 2008....
    I'm going with CW's answer.
  • uniquely-ironic said on Jun 18, 2008....

    Well, my own heritage makes me a mix story. My mother and her parents are the victims of German occupation, so that part of me owes no one an apology.  My dad and his parents are Americans many generations back in some lines, so I suppose I am possibly on the hook for slavery?  If that were to be the case, and I think the closest of that line of relatives is 6-8 generations back, then I suppose the best thing I can do to "atone" for family wrongs is to raise my own children to unprejudiced and aware of discrimination.  I really cannot do more, and more cannot be expected of me.

  • GrapeKoolaid said on Jun 18, 2008....
    I have to say that we are responsible for all. 

    I am responsible for every one of you and you are all responsible for me.  To claim that one is themselves truly irresponsible is a childish way of looking at things, wouldn't you say?  I'd say that only children are irresponsible.  I don't mean that children get off the hook here, though.  They're responsible for some things, but not all.  I don't know at what point a child becomes an adult.  That's a whole another topic of debate.  Let's just say that for now, some of us are lucky enough to remain simple children our whole lives. 

    Once someone grows up and becomes an adult however, they have to assume all the responsibilities.  I guess that's what being an adult means, isn't it?  You become responsible for things.  The list is all-encompassing.  Food, clothing, shelter, mate, offspring, community, environment, past, present, and the future immediately come to mind.  Why would something so important as the past be left out on that list?  Why would the adults teach the children to be better in the future if they were not responsible for the past? 

    I wasn't even going to post this comment but I am responsible for all of you. 

    I also have to add that there is a difference between direct, personal responsibility and general accountability.  The past is ugly, uncomfortable, impossible to ignore.  The past is the video camera wrapped in tinfoil in the video "I ran" by a Flock of Seagulls.  Or Boy George's adam's apple.  Impossible to ignore.  We're accountable for big hair with bangs.  Neon plastic bracelets.  Like twenty of them.  Swatch watches.  Headbands, fanny packs.  Legwarmers and tights. 

    It's pretty funny to think about.  TNP responsible for floppy disks, Grape responsible for California Raisins, Expendable responsible for Betamax, RC responsible for roller disco, CW responsible for bleached jeans, and so on. 

    See what great care we've taken? 

    What will you be responsible for? 

    Come claim your prize. 


  • Abeni[Dr] said on Jun 18, 2008....
    It is an interesting question you pose. It makes me think of a story in the Bible where before a man set out to do the work he felt God calling him to do, he prayed for forgiveness of not only his sins but of his father's sins for 4 generations, then he asked for protection and blessings. I am not mentioning the name because it is only the reference that from ancient times the sins or transgressions of our fathers play a part of who we are.
     
    From what I know about my families history, I would be hard pressed to find a particular sect of people that I would need to make any kind of out reach to. But I do know that there is a long history of alcoholism in his family, and family strains. And, as such, I have some very strict personal rules in regards to drinking and I try to never let a moment pass without letting my husband and children know how much they mean to me, even when they are absolutely driving me nuts. I don't think that the answer is to try to make up for past generations transgressions but rather to learn from them, try not to repeat them, and grow to be better from them. I don't feel like a baby born today, owes another baby born tomorrow an apology for what their great grandparents did yesterday. But I do think that children of today owe the generations of the past a forward motion stemmed from what they have learned.
  • Expendable said on Jun 18, 2008....
    What's betamax and how did I get involved with that?
  • wombat said on Jun 18, 2008....
    I didn't read the responses, didn't want them to influence the answer I had here.....
     
    While I don't take responsibility for the doings, wrong or otherwise, of people I never knew, I have an opinon about this.
     
    We (who is that?) came from somewhere, (many places) took the lands from the ones who were here, (on this spot of land off the sea) and then proceeded to take other people off their spot of land off the sea, and enslave them to do some of the work.
     
    Then, what did we do?  Proceeded to tell them if they don't like it, they should go home.
     
    Sorry for being graphic, but isn't that what "we" did?
     
    I mean, I didn't......but someone did.
     
    Nothing new, considering the history of the planet.  I didn't do anything.  I was just here observing.  Maybe wrongly.  Hope so.
  • TheNakedProfessor said on Jun 20, 2008....
    Thanks for such thoughtful responses...
  • wombat said on Jun 20, 2008....
    I apologize, (I think) for my response....I am not sure....I guess it was how I feel--but it came out a little rough and strange.
  • TheNakedProfessor said on Jun 21, 2008....
     
    You didn't start the fire. But who will put it out?
     
  • anonymous said on Jul 08, 2008....
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  • Expendable said on Jul 08, 2008....
    Silly troll, she didn't post here nor is this the right place to post such.
  • TheNakedProfessor said on Jul 08, 2008....
    Thanks, Ex
  • celestialspace2001 said on Jul 08, 2008....
    durn them spammas
  • ssmithford said on Jul 31, 2008....
    Thank you!

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