For years Arab propoganda and leftist or rightist anti-Israel propanda has been blaming Israel for the Arab refugees who left Israel. For years Israelis and some honest researchers have been saying that it was the Arab countries themselves who ordered the Arabs in pre-state Israel to leave quickly so that they could efficiently murder all the Jews --and then the Arabs could return to their homes and the homes of the Jews.
Of course the 'unbiased' western media always quoted the Arab line, research is not the good point of most of the western press, especially about 'ancient history' ie anything from yesterday backwards.
So here were have the truth or some of it coming out --published by the Arabs. Amazing, no?
Here is a bit of the article and the link follows. (I doubt it will change the minds of those who hate Jews, they can deny the Holocaust and call for another one in the same sentence. But those Jews who feel guilty for living, and those non-Jews who would like to know what really happened, well then read on):
PA Media: 1948 Refugees Dispatched by Arabs
17 Iyar 5768, 22 May 08 01:55
(IsraelNN.com) A recent report by a senior Palestinian Authority journalist in the PA daily Al-Ayyam documented the decision by masses of Arabs in 1948 to leave their homes in the hopes that they would return once Israel was defeated.
"The Arabs who became refugees in 1948 were not expelled by Israel but left on their own to facilitate the destruction of Israel," the senior PA journalist wrote, according to Palestinian Media Watch, which monitors the Arabic language PA media. "This plan to leave Israel was initiated by the Arab states fighting Israel, who promised the people they would be able to return to their homes in a few days once Israel was defeated."
PMW points out that the Al-Ayyam article's conclusion that Arab states are responsible for the Arab refugee problem undercuts a backbone of Arab propaganda claiming that Israel expelled hundreds of thousands of Arabs in 1948. "In recent years, PMW has documented an increasing willingness among Palestinians to openly blame the Arab states and not Israel," the report concludes, citing five sources and witnesses' accounts conveyed in the PA media to support the claim:"
And here is the link to the article :
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/SendMail.aspx?print=print&type=0&item=126241
Anyone wanting more information along the lines of truth, should read From Time Immemorial by Jane Peters.
I got an email which was attributed to someone in Japan: in it the author argued against the idiots who had swallowed the British agit prop line invented for the Arabs--that there was a 'Palestinian State' that preceded Israel. He asked if so: when was it founded? What was its parliment? Name the presdents and those in the legislatures, what international links did it have etc. Of course there were none of the above, for before WWI all was Turkish territory.
After WWI it was British territory (Jewish Legions had helped fight for the British). Britain then created the state of Jordan, but was very reluctant (to put it mildly) to fulfill its promise to create a 'homeland' for the Jewish people, and arrested and or sent away boats of Jews trying to escape the Nazis (the anti-Jewish laws were called the White Papers). After WWII the British continued to arrest any of the Jewish survivor who were brought over by the Haganah in old boats. When the UN granted a partition of the small area between Jews and Arabs, the British armed the Arabs, gave them the strategic fortifications that they used such as the Police stations, and left expecting the Arabs to slaughter the Jews, so that they could come back and re-take the area which is considered strategic in the Middle East.
At this point all the Arab countries sent soldiers to fight the Jews, they were well armed and out numbered the Jews here by astounding numbers. America outlawed selling arms to the Jews and so some Jewish WWII veterans risked jail (some got arrested) for smuggling war captured weapons out of the US to get them to the Jews fighting for their lives in the re-newed state of Israel. My father, who had wanted to go to Israel at this point to fight, but whose wife did not want him to go, for she would have been alone with a small child (me), decided to be one of those smugglers. He never told my mother about this episode. He told me many years later and I told her about it.
Other weapons were bought from Eastern European Countries who had some old fashioned rifles etc. I was taught to fire one of these ancient weapons when I was initiated into the Home Guard at one point. It was something out of a bad cowboy movie, by the time you fired you could have been long dead. A canaon, called the Davidka, was invented and it basically made a lot of noise, but this noise, together with the rumors about the new atom bomb, convinced the Arabs that maybe the Jews had one, and it was a miraculous help for the Jewish Forces who really did not have that many weapons to fights tens of millions of Arab soldier, all armed and trained.
One of the stories involves Tzfat. Tzfat had suffered pograms during the British rule, the British just let the Arabs do what they wanted but arrested Jews who tried to defend themselves. Tzfat had one Davidka canon. The Jews in Tzfat were greatly outnumbered, and remember the 1929 massacres in the old city carried out by their Arab neighbors with axes etc. The Haganah somehow, penetrated Tzfat with the Davidka and a small but dedicated fighting force (many of them teenagers). All the Jewish residents of Tzfat, whether leftists or rightist, secular or very orthodox, were together in the intention of fighting together to liberate Tzfat. This was and still is a very rare phenomena, and there is a picture of a group of these 'soldiers' including old Rabbis with long beards and young teenagers in short shorts, all holding some sort of weapon.
There were fierce battles in the streets of Tzfat and you can walk there and see all the plaques commemorating the deaths of Tzfat boys who died at that particular street corner or in that particualar battle. But the Davidka was the vessel for G-d to make a miracle. They fired the Davidka, and then in the middle of the summer (it never rained from May to September) a huge storm system came in with wind and driving rain. The Arabs had read that an atomic bomb brought storms --they concluded that the noisy Davidka cannon was an atomic bomb and they fled Tzfat --to the neighboring Arab towns or left the area entirely with other refugees following the orders of the Arab forces encircling Little Israel.
Trinov posted on May 22, 2008
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skald said on May 22, 2008....
I just read an article yesterday about the Arabs,luring other Arabs out of their homes and putting them in camps where they stay. All this is done to kill Jews. What a wicket world. I am so sorry. -
Trinov said on May 22, 2008....
Hi, yes the world is very screwed up. The Arabs have huge territory which when irrigated, as some of it was in ancient and in Roman times, could feed the world. There are still remains of the Roman acquducts in Israel and in Syria etc. But they are not thinking of life, but of death.
Wow, you read fast, I just finished writing the blog! Take care T. -
skald said on May 22, 2008....
Trinov. No, I had some minutes. lol You mean that they are not irrigating this area and letting it go to waste. That is awful. -
skald said on May 22, 2008....
Trinov. I was thinking, we live in a world where movies are good mediums. I think some of what you told here would be good to use in a movie. You know just like Exodus. It was a great movie. This would educate people. -
Trinov said on May 22, 2008....
Hi, yes you are correct, there are some great historical stories and I am hoping that the new school of movie making--a religious school-- would eventually make some historical epics--but that takes skills that may be beyond them at the moment. There are also so wonderful stories from the Mideast and Europe some of which I may someday turn into children's stories or plays.
(Right now we are worried about a bonfire that we can see outside our window. If the wind changes my husband may have to hook up the 'fire' hose-really just a garden hose we bought for this purpose. So far it is isolated. This is the holiday of L'Ag B'Omer, which is a very joyous holiday, but the parents aren't around to watch the bonfires and the fire departments don't get a minute off !) -
skald said on May 22, 2008....
Trinov. I hope the bonfire does not get out of control.
I am glad you think that these stories would be good for movies. I think they might educate people about things that are happening and that have happened.
Good idea of yours to turn stories from the Mideast and Europe into children's stories.
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Trinov said on May 23, 2008....
Hi, we went out at midnight and doused the still very hot embers with two shifts of water! Thank G-d that was the full problem. Today there are still a few fires. It seems that some kids throw everything on the fires , including plastic and cause a two day air pollution problem. The government is finally making an effort to make some educational statements.
We intend to go to Miron next week , the gravesite of Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai whose holiday is today. We don't go on L'Ag B'Omer because we can't stand being in crowds, and the crowds are enormous and the roads are blocked and private cars are not let into the community which 'houses' the gravesite. I may blog on the experience. I wrote a children's story about it over 30 years ago and I've been thinking of re-writing it for today for I never got it out of first draft.
(I taught in a high school in that community nine years ago, and 35 or so years ago had been accepted to teach in a Junior High there but then I had no direct transportation and I decided it was not practical--the kibbutz would have happily taken the money but they would not have given me a driver for a fifteen minute car drive, that would have taken one and a half hours by the regular bus route!) -
skald said on May 23, 2008....
Trinov. Dear friend. thank you so much for giving me an insight of your life in Israel. It means an lot to me.
I am glad that you put out the fire with water and that it was all to it.
Let us please know how your travel to the graveside of Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai goes.
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Trinov said on May 24, 2008....
Hi, it might be a good subject for a blog, maybe we can take some pictures too.
I just take every trip as a trial--the roads here are filled with so many undisciplined drivers, and that is putting it nicely. And once we got stuck in Miron for 2 1/2 hours because someone's car was blocking the main road for large vehicles like buses. Finally a group of young guys lifted the car an put in on the sidewalk and everybody could finally move. I tend to focus on all the hazzles that are possible. I no longer like even day trips. -
skald said on May 24, 2008....
Trinov. I would really like to see pictures of this and I am sorry you no longer like even one day trips. I think it is because of the situation in your country,
On another matter. Your singer in the Eurovision contest was good We like him here at home and I also think Israel gave us some point which we were grateful for.
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juliehalo said on May 25, 2008....
I read about this in school, and you are absolutely correct. -
Trinov said on May 25, 2008....
Hi, Julihalo welcome to my blog. I'd be interested in knowing where you went to--or are going to school.
Most schools nowadays don't even teach history. Any school that teaches history is rare phenomena, and any school that teaches the truth about Israel is so rare that it must be a very special place!
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cotterall&elaineadams said on May 28, 2008....
Hmmmm....until the P.L.O. and other groups drop the right of return into Israel for refugees and accept a financial solution and return elsewhere, I don't think the peace process will go ahead. There are other issues such as settlements and militants as well. I don't believe al-Nakba, anyway. There are two sides to that conflict, not one. -
cotterall&elaineadams said on May 28, 2008....
YAWN...heard this a thousand times, please don't call Arabs nasty names...I support the failing peace process... -
Trinov said on May 29, 2008....
Hi, cotter--when people are calling for my death and the obliteration of my people I can call them all the fucking names I want to. I personally know more Arabs than you do, and get along with those that are sane, like we had an Arab lawyer, an Arab dentist etc. And emotionally I am much nearer to Arabs than to anglo-saxons, for Arab movies move me and Arab comedies make me laugh, for my family comes from an oriental area. But that doesn't mean I've got to be 'nice' to people who call for the destruction of the State of Israel, and for the murder of all Jews. Really!
The Arabs who think it is okay to shell civilians, to target schools etc, well they are not people I have to be polite about. Get real. And frankly, you can support all the peace/piece projects you like from far away and feel as self-righteous as you want, but :yawn baby, you don't understand anything of what is going on, not here, and I'd bet not where you come from either.
I put this out on a blog for the rare individuals who want to get the side that the Western press is not showing, and hasn't been showing. In a way, it is futile, for very few will read it. But from what I know on other levels, it is worth the effort to type in a few words about the truth that is going on.
Take out a map of the world and see how many Arab states there are. Then try to find the State of Israel on the same map. It would go into Saudi Arabia 20 times and leave some room. Ditto Egypt or Morroco. But those Arab states don't want us even on that tiny part of the map. And honey, they don't want Spain on the map, they want it back too. The Arabs in France and the rest of Europe don't want to live under the laws of the country, but under Sharia law. If they were only asking that their religious family laws were accepted, I could see that. But no, they are hoping to impose Sharia law on everyone. That is what they say, yawn. I've read so much, yawn, that it tires me out, and it tires me out to see how ignorant most people in the west are about everything.
So instead of being self-righteous about our 'peace/piece' process, worry about the food shortages, in wheat, rice and corn and the rising prices that could bring starvation even to America and Britain for the poor, for in case you are not following such boring news, the food stocks are gone and Americans needing help with food are being turned away.
And instead of being a know it all about the mideast, start worrying about all those being thrown out of their homes, some 30% of those in certain neighborhoods in Colorado etc.
America and Americans have mostly feature articles and not news, have mostly propoganda and not news, not even the important news that you need. Stop yawning, honey, over my problems, over the Jewish kids having to face shellings every day 24 hours a day in the whole area around Gaza, stop yawning over a situation that does not effect you honey chile, and start worrying about what is going on in America, before you will be too busy surviving (like we are busy here just surviving) to yawn about other peoples problems, sweetheart.
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Trinov said on May 29, 2008....
To Skald Hi I missed that part about you liking the Israeli singer/song. I don't even know what song it was this year. Israel tends to vote on merit, if I remember and not politically. I remember that England never voted for us, (when I was watching years ago) even when we had the winning song and everyone else was cheering us on.
Some day, if we ever have enough money I'd like to start writing some of the history books that need to be written. The real history is so different from the propaganda. I learned this in college. I'd hear the official history lecture, and then I'd compare it with the first hand sources that I had read on my own and wow, there was no correlation between the lecture and the truth. That's when I woke up fully. And the funny part is that all this information is out there on dusty shelves of univeristy libraries (not college libraries). I've taken out books that no one touched for a hundred years, or whose ancient pages were uncut. What a world, Skald, what a world.
In history books written up until 1890, it was clear that the Vikings had colonized a part of North America, and there were dates and exact locations and pictures of structures etc. And there are Vatikan records of tithes from American by the Vikings! But all that disappeared because of politics. But the books were still on the shelves, unread since that time, for the professors no longer professed that 'version' of history. Isn't that sad? I think so. And they want to create a new history about the middle east also.
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skald said on May 29, 2008....
Trinov. You are right, history has to be revised and looked at again and again, once it was just the history of men and of course of powerful men, kings, and elite but history is so much more
Yes, there are books full of wisdom that are gathering dust and are not available to everyone. It is a good thing that you read such book and you might then contribute your knowledge to others.
The Vikings in America were never forgotten here. This is written in the sagas which are written in the 1200's and the nation still reads.
Yes, there are many books in the Vatican and the people in that area learned about the travels of Leifur Eirissson and others and there were maps. This Christopher Columbus learned about and set off for America.
I wonder why England never voted for you. There are counties too that vote for us and others that don't. I don't know if Israel has voted for us. England gave us 6 points this time.
I do believe that we have voted for Israel.
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Trinov said on May 29, 2008....
Hi, Skald England never wanted us to survive, they thought that they had stacked the cards for the death of the new State of Israel. Now the academics want to boycot us, and even boycot any Jew in England who is pro-Israel. This I read this morning in the Jerusalem Post, but the article is tucked away now and not on the front page.
Yes, of course Columbus had access to those records from the Vikings! But try to get most historians to admit this, impossible. He also had the Portolono maps from his father-in-law. He knew he was not going to China. I believe he knew where the hidden Jews were in South America, for he brought a Hebrew scholar with him, and he himself was a Crypto Jew, and so were the majority of his crew.
The real history is so much more interesting than the nonsense taught in the schools in most countries. On the other hand, have the sagas been translated fully into English?
Also the Irish and the Basque were in 'the new world' before Columbus, but for some reason that is beyond me, nobody in Academia Land wants to admit this. Look what happend to Barry Fell! His books go in and out of print. I am just sick of the cloud cuckoo land mentality of the establishment of Academia.
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cotterall&elaineadams said on May 29, 2008....
MY WIFE IS JEWISH. SHE SUPPORTS A PALESTINIAN HOMELAND. OKAY?! Nobody that I know of calls for the destruction of Israel and I wouldn't deny them a right to self-defense. What Lebanon and Iran are doing is wrong and I can't take sides on Syria. These situations have nothing to do with an illegal occupation. Sympathy for the plight of Palestinians doesn't equate with support for militancy. And do you think that support for the apartheid approach to the West Bank with its colonialist settlements is justified? No, it is similar to bantustans and reserves. I DO NOT condone anti-Semitism or anti-Zionism. Criticism of Israel isn't necessarily extremist because some people don't like it. It is just as wrong to be anti-Arab. My wife understands this and wouldn't put up with it for one second. She insists it comes from Orthodox Judaism not conservative or reform Judaism. That is her opinion on this support for the Greater Israel but then Christians at times support it and others don't. There are two sides to this conflict. -
Trinov said on May 30, 2008....
to cotter :the fact that she married a non-Jew, as many of my cousins did, just shows that she knows little about her own people and very little about Israel and so is not a person who would be influencing my reality. When the push comes to shove and America turns anti-semitic, will you still be with her, or will the marriage break up the way practically all the German Jewish marriages broke up in the 1930's ?
You don't read the news, at least the real news, and the settlers are the best and the most holy of my people and the reward that will come with the Davidic King will be theirs and not those who married out of their religion and hope to be accepted by the nations that killed their ancestors.
Yes there are supposedly two sides, 'relativism' always stresses this, but it is a fools answer --for there is truth, and right and wrong. And the time will come when all this nonsense is clear, and frankly, I don't give a damn if you live to see it. I do give a damn about those of the world who try to open their eyes and look for the truth, or for the simple who are just concerned with their own survival.
Ignoramases with big mouths and loud opinions bore me, and you do seem to fit the mold. And if you have children, and your wife is really Jewish, they will be also. Bugs you doesn't it? The majority of such children in America decide to leave their Jewish heritage behind, but some of them come back, from a deep place, and often become the most religious, and the only real Judaism is orthodox, for G-d did not create the reform and conservative and tell then that it is fine and good to violate the laws that He gave to their ancestors and to them. So that is another thing for you to think about.
And most inter-marriages, statistically,eventually end in divorce at some time. The ones that stay together may be because there is Jewish ancestry in the non-Jewish spouse, which comes out in love of Judaism. But you don't have it, not at all. So you and your wife will probably fall into the majority of divorced couples, if she is Jewish and not just the child of an inter-married Jewish male, who is not Jewish.
So saying your wife is Jewish is no excuse for me for your anti-Israel anti-Jewish bias. Go love your 'palestinians'--who don't exist as a nation, see what good will come of it for you. Go love the Syrians who want to blow up the world, go love the Hizballah and the Hamas. What the fuck do I care? it's your karma, not mine. -
skald said on May 30, 2008....
Yes there Irish were before us in America. The sagas at least some of them have been translated into English and some English scholars have taken the trouble to learn old Icelandic to read the sagas.
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cotterall&elaineadams said on May 30, 2008....
I accept Israel's right to exist. Many groups in Israel and in America, including but not limited to Gush Shalom, Peace Now, Jewish Voices for Peace and B'etselem are dedicated to a fair and just peace for Israelis and Palestinians. I embrace the perspective of equality, not anti-Semitism or anti-Arabism. Christian Zionism is a mistake that is based on a premise that support for the military agenda of the Holy Land is necessary and is focused on cultish end times beliefs related to ideas on the Apocalypse, the Rapture and Armageddon. These beliefs are popular in fundamentalist Christian circles. However, politics and Christianity are not interrelated, only if entangled into the perspective of the believer and this applies to any religion. The majority of Jews are not Orthodox and the rate of interfaith marriage in the Jewish community is over fifty percent. Therefore, Conservative, Reconstructionist and Reform form the majority, not Orthodox Judaism. There are modern and traditional branches of Orthodox Judaism and they do not all hold the same political perspectives. As I have stressed before, people have a choice in political belief and religion, ethnicity and culture do not require a certain political perspective. I am very secular and lean towards libertarianism, many people are I know are conservative but not religious, religious but liberal, secular and socialist, New Age, etc. I have had Baha'i, Buddhist, secular, Pagan, Christian and other friends. I have no issue with Muslims or any other group of people. Since there are 1.3 billion Muslims, they cannot be ignored. Neither can Christians. There are 2.1 billion Christians. The divorce rate approximates fifty percent. Actually, it is rising and is closer to sixty percent. Religious difference accounts for two percent of divorces. There are many other causes but the number one reason is that women leave men to find themselves and for no reason. No-fault divorce allows for this. Nothing to do with interfaith or interracial marriages. If I took a stance against interfaith and interracial marriages, I would be a racist, prejudicial hypocrite the likes of which join the KKK and support South African apartheid. I am not that type at all. As for religion that is a personal matter and I am not criticizing that someone should follow a faith but the politics attached to it. Fundamentalism is not acceptable in any faith. Neither is applying one's beliefs to others. -
Trinov said on May 31, 2008....
What can I say, you must love your narrow little liberal self. You and your relativism well, let's see what you will say in five years from now. As for what you think you know about Jewish population, and what it means, its a real laught to me, for I'm a researcher in that area. Most of what you think you know about us is pure bullshit and ignorance.
In previous times, there were Jewish non-orthodox movements--they died out or intermarried out. There only modern descendents are about ten thousand Karites.
On the other hand, there are millions of hidden Jews, who just as the Ethiopians 'appeared' out of myth about fifty years ago, will appear in their time. Recently the Tribe of Menashah has surfaces, according to the prophesies, the first tribe to surface as a tribe, and they are coming back to orthodox Judaism and Israel. They are about 3,000,000 in India alone, and more in other parts of Asia. They are just scratching the surface of the ice berg, of the Jews that G-d has hidden until the time comes.
So you and your wife and all the others who think that G-d is out of the picture and everything is honky dorry do what the hell you want to do, well, as I said, we could continue this conversation in five years. It just is not worth my effort to bother after this with you and your opinions. You have your own blog space.
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