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Psychosis, noun, severe mental disorder with loss of contact with reality.


Have you ever known someone who is a die-hard Christian? You know, the ones who insist on praying over every morsel of food they eat, who insist on talking about Jesus as though he were a rock star, the ones who like to look down their thin little noses at you for having a life? Growing up in the deep South of the U.S.A. I have had lifelong opportunities to know such people and as a psychologist, I've recently come to a certain realization. But let me give you a "For Instance:"

Say a perfect stranger came up to you in a public setting. This person acted as though they knew you, despite having just met you for the first time. They strike up a conversation and somewhere in the middle they ask you if you have accepted the Easter Bunny as your God. With a perfectly straight face, they then proceed to tell you how the Earth started out as quiche baked in a giant oven for a week and the moon is just a hunk of cheese that fell off when they took it out to cool. Then after the quiche was cooled, the Easter Bunny came down, grabbed a couple of handfulls of the baked goodness, breathed life into it, and that's where humankind originated. Now, they go on to tell you story after story, and one story about how the Easter Bunny one day was hunted down and shot by the other inhabitants of the quiche, and they didn't just shoot him, they nailed him to a wall and tormented him for days on end before finally putting him out of his misery. And the Easter Bunny died so that no one would ever have to go hungry for quiche ever again. And that's why you should accept the Easter Bunny as your personal Lord and Savior. Not only that, but if you don't, when you die you'll have to move to a planet where there IS NO QUICHE and you have to do without it's savory goodness for all eternity.

It would take you all of how many seconds to walk away from this lunatic? Or maybe you're like me, and you stick around to see just how crazy they are...

Why is it that when we change the names and some of the smaller details it's easy to see how crazy it is? Yet there are millions of people who are otherwise reasonable and intelligent who fall for a different version of the Easter Bunny story and they just eat it up like it was quiche.

In a very literal, clinical context, to be a faithful Christian is to suffer from a Delusional Psychosis. They believe things that cannot be proven, things that any reasonably intelligent person would see through immediately in the right light, and they don't know they're delusional. In a very real sense, there is no way to differentiate between Christianity and other forms of Psychosis, but because we have gotten used to overlooking the "religious" we no longer see them as mentally ill.

So I have a challenge for you. If you have even the slightest vestige of Christian faith in the Bible or Jesus or any of the Christian mythology, this is a challenge you will find rather enlightening. Write down in a paragraph or less the essence of what you believe to be true about Christianity. Then look back at what you wrote, replace every noun with a vegetable (only tangible nouns here -- if you can put it in a wheelbarrow it is a tangible noun), replace every name with the name of a cartoon character, and turn every verb into it's opposite form (e.g. "give" into "take", "believe" into "doubt", "save" into "waste"). Now re-read your paragraph. THen at the bottom of the page write: "All tomatoes are evil." Now go back to the original idea you thought about when you wrote your paragraph and as you do re-read the altered paragraph and notice what happens inside your mind.

Post your experiences with this experiment to this thread, I am very curious to see if you don't find some interesting discrepancies.

I'm not saying you'll find my hypothesis correct by doing this, but it will certainly give you some insight into the way people encode reality with their words. And when you consider that people build their entire lives on those word-encoded realities, you might see the world in slightly newer terms.

But don't take my word for it, what the hell do I know anyway?? ;-D


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  • idragosani said on Aug 11, 2006....
    Well, damn, this sounds like a cool experiment and I'd love to try it... except I'm not Christian. :-)
  • realmenluvporn said on Aug 11, 2006....
    Pretend you were, based on what you know to be true about that particular religion.
  • idragosani said on Aug 11, 2006....
    I did try it.... but it just sounded silly -- Calvin is here to waste my material flesh and he lived for my virtues... and tomatoes are evil...
  • hypermach said on Aug 11, 2006....
    I was in a conversation with a Wiccan. We quickley found out that we had different definitions for words and that this made communication next to impossible. I tend to view all conversations I have with believers in this light. It can save a lot of frustration. (the main word we had trouble with was nature) Faithie, ever hear of the Hubble constant? The term Big Bang was coined by the media...the theory states that if everything is flying apart now at one point it must have been much closer together. After that it gets complicated but it is still based on emperical evidence.
  • idragosani said on Aug 11, 2006....
    hypermach -- Wiccans drive me crazy too... if you tell them their belief that mercury in retrograde making bad things happen is about as silly as believing the world was created in 7 days a few thousand years ago, they get quite angry -- whether it's because you are calling their dear belief into question or because you are comparing them to creationists, I'm not sure...
  • realmenluvporn said on Aug 11, 2006....
    Idragosani: You're right, it's completely silly! You say the same essential things, but substitute slightly different content, and you see if for what it is: lunacy! FaithMatters: My actions in your regard shall constitute the totality of my superior intellect's response to you. And thank you for noticing! Hyper: I agree with you! People constantly hallucinate that they are using words that represent the same things to everyone. Nature is a good one, and truth is another one. When it all comes down to it, the human mind is plastic enough to make any effect fit any cause. I got up ten minutes late today, so the Alarm CLock Gods punished me by making it rain on me all the way to work. If you don't believe in God you must believe in the Big Bang. I am a Christian therefore you must believe as I do. I delete your comment, therefore you have been silenced. Because I believe in peace I will blow up your country. Whether you believe in Wicca, JC and The Boys, Buddha, or the Great Pumpkin, it's still just a matter of what YOU believe. When you hallucinate that your beliefs should have ANY significance to anyone else, that's where you begin losing touch with reality. You can show them incontovertible proof of the contrary, and you will never convince them. Belief is simply not rational, it's seldom based on objective evidence. But that doesn't make it wrong, just another form of fantasy. So what. The Jesus freaks are all delusional and will waste their lives believing that things will be better after they're dead. While I might not disagree with them, at least for those of us they leave behind, I cannot say they don't have every right to believe as they choose, to live their lives as they choose. But as soon as they turn around and start shaking their bony little fingers at other people, it makes me want to get out my machete and hack them off at the wrists! Live and let live, people! Even if you disagree with your neighbor, peaceful coexistence is still better than becoming a bunch of murdering bastards over matters of opinion, eh?
  • hotaka said on Aug 12, 2006....
    Okay, here goes. I was a Christian before and I still believe some things are worth keeping in mind. I'll give you the vegetable version only. It was tough to write because I had to find the opposite of to see, was, and other verbs that didn't make sense when the opposite verb was used. Also "liked to listen to" had to become "disliked listening to" and similar changes were required for other words. Overall it was fun. What do you think? I deny there was a potato named Dynomutt Dog Wonder who died on this Earth. He grew down Wondertwin-ish and ignored the fact that potatoes were only abstaining from their faith in ritual form but living Papa Smurf’s word from the heart. He was not wise and was ignorant of the Carrot (Old Testament). He gave up closing the eyes of potatoes and getting them to see that by dying by a few simple commandments they could follow a better life together and poverty and suffering could be increased to nearly zero. Uninspired by his wise words, some potatoes chose to lead Dynomutt while throngs of others simply disliked listening to him talk because he was so passionate and eloquent. Having some potato giving attention to the Wondertwin-ish faith made some potatoes angry and they fixed it so that Dynomutt could be released and included in the public eye. Whether or not Dynomutt Dog Wonder was the spud of Papa Smurf, whether or not he lived and was left to rot, whether or not he will spend us for an eternity in hell, whether or not he was divorced and had spuds doesn’t change the fact that we should still give up dying by hating one another and hide charity from our fellow potatoes. All tomatoes are evil.
  • cfamommy said on Aug 12, 2006....
    I don't even know what to tag this comment... Good heavens, man! If I only believed things that could be proved empirically, I'd have the most boring life! I wouldn't be able to believe anything I read in history books, or believe my friend when she told me about the amazing thing that happened to her the other day... Yeah, I believe stuff based on historical evidence and experiences that other people (and I) have had, though none of this can be proved by science. Does that make me delusional? And the Easter Bunny thing? Cute, but it's not a great analogy. Millions of people don't believe that one (and haven't throughout human history), no one knew and wrote about the Easter Bunny when he was "alive"... Ah, forget it. I'm not going to try to change your mind. You're WAY deeper into your anti-Christian beliefs than most of the Christians you're bashing. You're no more in touch with reality than they are, friend. Good luck with that.
  • madstorm said on Aug 12, 2006....
    I like people who post fiery honest 'grab'em by the balls' blogs. The human mind is capable of believing ANYTHING... it's NOT what we believe that matters it's what we do with our lives, it's what ACTION we take and what consequences those actions have. I find it strange that a psychologist would call himself 'realmenluvporn' but there you go. There's no justification for christians or ANYONE to ram their beliefs down other peoples throats. Perhaps tomatoes are Evil... but I prefer to think ANY action that harms another human being is Evil...
  • yeahbutnobut said on Aug 12, 2006....
    I have accepted the Easter Bunny as my Lord and Savior. It all started in my 15th year, when a girl slapped me because I asked her if I could see how far down her freckles reached. That's when I saw the light at the end of the tunnel. And then, like a full force gale, I was lifted all the way. . . When I came to, I was in this meadow, and the Easter Bunny smiled down on me. . .. Well, to make a long story short, I have an endless supply of chocolate ever since that fateful day, 38 years ago.
  • StupidGenius said on Aug 12, 2006....
    You cant convince a christian that god dosnt exist and you cant convince an atheist that he does so.... kill all the christians and we will live happily ever after... Long live the easter buny, armen!! (IM JOKING, PLEASE DONT GIVE ME A CHRISTIAN WEDGIE!!)
  • realmenluvporn said on Aug 12, 2006....
    Just a quick reposte... Remember, there are many different types of psychologists, not just the kind who do therapy (and on the whole I'd say we're all in the business of doing evil anyway ;-). I don't do therapy because most psychologists (including myself) are trained in methodologies that, in the long run, do far more harm than good. In this very public forum, I am not required to be either ethical or kind! I'm not here to help anyone! It is a perfect environment for sociological experimentation... I can challenge you from any direction I wish and it's all fair game. But just because it's sunny out today, I'll let you in on a little secret. My "secret motive" is to get you to look at the things you take for granted from a slightly different, slightly more enriched perspective and see if they still hold up. After all, if the things you believe in are "really true" then nothing I do can change that, would you not agree? :-D So be careful about the assumptions you make! Look at FaithfulDisciple's responses to this and to me in other places on SoulCast for perfect examples of exactly what I'm describing here. You are not allowed to challenge a psychotic's reality, just look at the vitriol they spew when you do. To them it's all real and unquestionable. And the minute you ask them questions that bring out the shortcomings in their delusion they respond with vigorous anger. It's the result of their fantasies falling short in the light of reality and it scares the hell out of them. Notice how FD started attacking everything else about me she could, my user name (which is explained on another blogger's post about USER NAMES) just made an easy target for her because she has a knee-jerk response to anything that is outside of her own system of belief. Then she decided that I was the one who was pyschotic and in need of a psychiatrist! I mean, you can't make this stuff up, folks! She means every word she writes and doesn't see it as psychotic! She will be the interesting one to track through this process we have all begun together. Stay tuned. And the silliness you are finding when you make the changes I describe IS PRECISELY THE POINT. When you look at the structure of what they believe and you change the details, it is obvious that what they're doing doesn't make sense. THAT'S THE POINT. But the subpoint is exactly the one StupidGenius makes here: [quote]You can't convince a christian that god dosnt exist and you cant convince an atheist that he does [/quote] Because beliefs are not rational, they are not built on evidence. Beliefs are intimately connected with identity, you cannot change one without impacting the other. What gives me the right to call Christians Psychotic? The same thing that gives them the right to suggest that everyone else is wrong because they don't believe as they do. It's the psychotics pointing to the keepers of the asylum and saying "No, it's them, THEY'RE THE CRAZY ONES!" Except I have more evidence for my hypothesis than they do for theirs! Good responses thus far, do keep them coming.
  • yeahbutnobut said on Aug 12, 2006....
    Jest don't say n e thang aboud mah dahling Easter Bunny, and you won't get shit from me. As for your points about the psychotic nature of beliefs held without question, spot on, wot. I dears say, olde chape, you do holde youre owne raether well. But, and I day this "but" with forefinger puncuating high above my head, realmenluvpoontang. 'Mkay? Oh, and stupidgenius is a very interesting user handle, I think. Someday I'll unpack all the meaning I see in it. Oh, time to offer of a mocha frappe to the Easter Bun Bun.
  • hotaka said on Aug 12, 2006....
    Having been on SoulCast since the end of May I have seen a lot of pro-Christian Faith and anti-Christian Faith. It is interesting to see how passionate people can be to either defend Christianity and the belief in it or condem Christianity and the belief in it. Basically, Christians who do their best to live by The Word are going to contribute something good to the world. They have their role model and I think He's a good one. People who have other religious faiths will also contribute to the bettering of this world as long as they follow the points in their beliefs that say people should be nice to each other and so on. Anyone without a religion can still be a good person while alive on Earth. Whatever happens after is something no one really knows about until we snuff it. Believe what you want. Do what you think is best for you, whether other think it makes sense or not. As long as you do you best to make the world a pleasant place no one can really fault you for your beliefs. There are enough idiots out there, religious or not, who are making a mess of things. The real evil is in the hearts of men. But that's where the goodness lies too. I still thought it was fun doing the writing exercise. That it comes out as complete swill is either a testament that religion doesn't make sense or that the whole exercise is rubbish. Believe what you want.
  • yeahbutnobut said on Aug 12, 2006....
    I give you a 10 on the no-swill meter, because I quite agree with you Hotaka re the doing of good in the world. While most days people don't pains to make the distinction between the brand of religious who need to win everyone to their point of view, versus the brand that just wants to live and let live and do some good in the world, I think it is a pretty safe assumption that when people are "passionate" against Christianity or any other system of blind belief, they really do mean the brand that's my way or you're dead.
  • yeahbutnobut said on Aug 13, 2006....
    three in the am, I look at my mail. It says there is a reply on this thread. So I come to check it out, and some wanker is up in here giving a lecture. What a bummer. I hope there nottoo many dweebs on SC who write long posts to explain political correctness as if we don't know it and as if we give a plop.
  • hypermach said on Aug 13, 2006....
    I find it much easier to be a follower of Jesus because I am not a Christian. There is so much contradictory stuff in that book. If you only read the words that are acually ascribed to the man, how could you be against Gay marriage? How could anyone ever think they could fight a war in his name?
  • yeahbutnobut said on Aug 13, 2006....
    Check it. If you believe Jesus saves, one thing I can tell you, he does not use Bank of America, because that outfit sucks. The way I see it any guy who can walk on water is way to shrewd to save at that shitty ass bank. I got pissed at them so I went to close my account and the teller says to me, "How come you closing your account?" I said, "I'm shifting banks, I don't like they way this bank treats me." Check it. So she says, "Can I guess which bank you changing to?" So then, I'm like, "Aigth. Hit me." Did I mention she was packing? Oh, yeah, she was packing. She foxy for days, so I'm enjoying standing there eating up the eye-candy and all. So then she says the correct name of the bank where I am planning to open my account. Am like, "Ooooh, Jah, this fox is psychic too!" So I says, "How did you know?" "Cos that's where I keep my accounts." That's some dope shit right there. She works at one bank but doesn't use it's services. She says, "I work here, but they don't even treat the employees right." So all I'm saying, now way in hell a guy who was getting after them moneylenders is gonna save at a crappy bank. And that's why Jesus is just alright with me. Jesus is just alright oh yeah. Jesus is just alright with me.
  • realmenluvporn said on Aug 13, 2006....
    Lidstrom: Make no mistake, I am not interested in your respect and I hope I have offended you deeply! And I am not interested in being anything BUT disrespectful to Christians. Mind you, I don't see it as an organic mental illness, it is an *INDUCED ONE*! And they are as deadly serious about infecting you as you are about staying alive. They operate very much like a virus: Invade, destroy, replicate, invade, destroy, replicate. I don't just mean the seriously irrational ones like FaithfulDisciple and FaithMatters, I mean all of them. You don't respect a virus or a disease, you ERADICATE IT with as much speed and precision as possible! [quote]many Christians are willing to die for what they believe, and that's a huge commitment[/quote] Perhaps I'm taking advantage of that fact! ;-D We know they can't resist certain types of bait, do we not? Why would I want their consent to experiment with their brains? Have they ever asked consent from anyone they converted? Or did they just see it as *their duty* to convert every soul they CAN? What if everyone thought like that? What if someone with the skills to completely destroy that mindset thought like that? And what if they blogged? How many hundreds of years now has the rest of the world been putting up with these virus-ridden freaks hellbent on conquering the world? It was just a matter of time before someone starting fighting fire WITH WATER! But I digress... A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. The links you are hinting at are secure enough to keep their bloody mental disease to themselves, they are not the ones spreading their filth in public forums with usernames like FaithfulDisciple and FaithMatters! For every Yin, there is a Yang. I am merely holding up a mirror to them and the world (at least as it manifests itself here on SoulCast ;-). Didn't Jesus say that "what you do unto the least of these my brethren you do unto me"? You gotta' start somewhere! Chains are connected all the way to the end. Btw, have you noticed that FaithfulDisciple has not only gotten the hell out of dodge, she/he (I'm still not sure of that person's gender -- they certainly write like they have no balls) has deleted all of my comments on her blog and blocked me as a user? Notice also the tirade she's on about bigots and "forceful conversion"! Now, before she met me, she wasn't writing about bigots and being converted. Her faith hadn't been challenged yet. I've already got my foot in the door. And I just said a couple of things to and about her... If her faith were "real" and what she believes were really "true", then how on Earth could a psychotic heathen pervert bigot like me have any effect on those things? How, indeed... The same mechanisms they use to infect others with their delusions CAN be turned against them and used to deliver a cure. You are seeing evidence of that firsthand. Still making assumptions about what I'm experimenting with? Watch out, bro, you may be next! Striking blows for all those who have been harmed by Christianity, one lunatic at a time. Yes, I am totally out of my mind! ;-D And btw, for those of you who have been hinting at Atheism, I'll just share with you that I am neither an Atheist nor Agnostic. But my personal religious beliefs are not up for public consumption. Stay tuned!
  • yeahbutnobut said on Aug 13, 2006....
    Word! Straight up, on my end, the only frikkin' "ism" I would put my name under is human. And truth to tell, some days, I don't even want to do that. I don't always feel human. But if I have to accept a label, that's the one with the broadest scope. All conversion based religion is a rationalization for fear, not mercy, compassion, love, and all that claptrap about saving others from missing out on salvation. That's horseplop. It's fear, because deep down I'm insecure as hell about my irrational, unverifiable beliefs, so I'm thinking that if I get others going my way, then I must be lined up with the right one. I seen the same mindset with elections. If my party wins the majority vote then my party must be the right one. Religious conversion agendas is the same cockamamie bs. Booyah. Iffen there be a hell below, that's where we all gonna go, except for the most severely anal retentive, because they already there, yo.
  • realmenluvporn said on Aug 13, 2006....
    Preach it brother yeahbut!!!! ;-D
  • lidstrom82 said on Aug 14, 2006....
    OK realmenluvporn, let's chat. If you're pissed off at Christians who have hurt others, we're actually in the same boat. My faith is stable, but it gets questioned when I see Christians lash out of anger when Jesus did anything but. At least it's out in the open that you don't respect Christians and want to "get back at them" for hurting others. I understand why you'd want to do that. Let me get this straight: Christianity is a self-inflicted disease, so while physical diseases must be treated with care, the induced disease of Christianity needs to be eradicated before it infects any more people? Is that right? You have lots of good points, especially the point that is if Christianity were really true, nothing you say should piss off Christians. After all, God is the source of all these Christians teachings, so it's not our reputation, it's His - why should we get bothered? Secondly, Jesus did say not to worry if the world hates Christians, because the world hated Him first. All that goes to say that you got the best of FaithfulDisciple, and you're happy about it. Let me level with you realmen, and anyone else, and if it sounds like lecturing, you're missing the point. Every religion has devouts and "fakers". Real Christians are such because they experienced a loving God that took care of them when no one else could - or would. It might've been setting them free from addictions, healing for physical illness, provision for finances, etc. Miraculous, practical things. Once a Christian experiences that, they want to share it with others out of love. Why? Because most people want to know a powerful God that can help them with the troubles of life. Who wouldn't want that kind of help? Usually realmen, the ones who rejected it did so because of other people, not God Himself. I'm not saying that's you, I'm saying that of a fair amount of Soulcasters I asked the question to. Your experience seems to have run into the "fakers" who shared it with you or others you knew out of judgment or duty. That's not love - that's indoctrination. They might as well have worn swastikas while handing out a Bible to you. You probably have a right to be angry about Christianity, and although you don't wish to share your religious beliefs with us, it does seem a bit unfair to ridicule the open beliefs of others while keeping yours secret. There's nothing wrong with withholding your beliefs, but doesn't it seem a bit of a double standard to study Christians in terms of psychosis when your motives for it aren't exactly objective? Isn't objectivity important for a psychological study, even an informal one on a blog? :) If you want to continue the study, go ahead. Just don't let it be a self-fulfilling prophecy, where your comments and posts are intentionally incendiary to bring about negative results from Christians - in turn proving your suspicions. All that aside realmen, you need love and respect from Christians, because there's a strong hint (I won't assume) that some bad ones messed with you or ones close to you). You don't have to respect me, even though I've asked kindly. You can continue with your thoughts. I only ask that we can open some dialog so that i know better where you're coming from, and you don't have to share your beliefs. I'll say it again to everyone - don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. War-mongering, abortion clinic-bombing, church-frauding, Bible-thumping Christians are not the whole picture. I love realmenluvporn, no matter how successful this study is. I've prayed for him to know that not all Christians will judge you for everything from your movie collection to a short haircut. Come to think of it, that kind of Christianity IS delusional. But it's not the real kind. Which prompts me to ask, realmen, psychology aside, what do you have against Christianity personally?
  • realmenluvporn said on Aug 14, 2006....
    Ok Lidstrom: Let's do this. I'm going to start a new thread and I invite you to continue this discussion there. Q
  • yeahbutnobut said on Aug 14, 2006....
    Respect!!!
  • lidstrom82 said on Aug 15, 2006....
    Cool, I'm down with the new thread.
  • yeahbutnobut said on Aug 15, 2006....
    It just hit me that the question religion or psychosis is a wierd question. Religion is psychosis.
  • realmenluvporn said on Aug 15, 2006....
    It's kind of like asking "Do you want Cherries Garcia or Rocky Road?" Either way, you're still getting Ice Cream. ;-) Shh, don't tell anyone... There *is* a method to my madness. Q
  • dubiousjayhawk said on Aug 15, 2006....
    Um, I hope you realize... realmen, that ethics are a huge part of ANY psychological study. I find it very hard to believe that a trained and educated psychologist would so blantantly ignore ethics. Even when it is not required (which by my education, it ALWAYS is), most psychologists adhere to ethics because its the right thing to do. Remember Baby Albert? Now what if all these Christians started being seriously afraid of blogging because of your attacks?
  • yeahbutnobut said on Aug 15, 2006....
    Ethics shemetics. What's a higher ethic than to stand for your truth and to attack ignorance in all it's guises? All the vulnerable readers, be they Christian or otherwise, simply don't have to read RMLP's blogs. For my part, I wanna read them. the man makes sense to me. Ain't narthin' higher than making sense. And when I say narthin' I do mean absolutely narthin.
  • realmenluvporn said on Aug 16, 2006....
    Dubious: There are psychological studies and there's fucking with people in a public forum. ;-) You know, I'm really surprised at the lack of intelligent responses from the Jesus freaks! I thought I was being so transparent, but they fucking ate it up! I have been waiting and waiting for someone to go "Wait a minute... I see what you're doing you fucking asshole!" But they kept buying in and buying in, and I'd push them further and further, and nobody caught on, ever! One chick even banned me because she realized early on the futility of arguing with me. Hello, low-flying aircraft... I even gave it away in at least half a dozen of my posts! It's all opinion, folks! Some opinions can be expressed in really offensive ways, and if you don't notice you're being offensive, maybe nobody has told you about it! Most people, when informed how offensive people are finding them, alter their behavior. Not these guys, boyo, oh no! They amped it up and got really nasty! It was kind of pathetic, really. In every single one of my Anti-Christian flames, I have done nothing but take exactly the same sentiments I have seen bandied about on this very site, invert them, and feed them back with a little "piss and vinegar". I have one kid trying to psychoanalyze and figure out what church did to hurt my feelings, he has it so figured out in his head "what it is that's wrong WITH ME" that he's already trying to figure out how to convert me back to something resembling a drooling idiot! I am really disappointed. It hasn't even been fun! Not one intelligent argument FOR their cause in the lot of 'em! Watch, there will still be some huckleberry write me back and flame me on further even after I out myself! Curiouser and curiouser, Q
  • realmenluvporn said on Aug 16, 2006....
    Btw, notice that "Gotta try" tag up there... Says it all! Q
  • yeahbutnobut said on Aug 16, 2006....
    Youz a bad boy. Bad, bad, boy. And the rate you going, God gon push the little button in the armrest of his golden throne and you gonna shoot down the chute into the pit of fire. And alla we gon party to the tune of "Serves you right, Sinner". But until then, let's larf our arses orf. :) Ok, huckleberries, come on in, step right dis wayyyyy.
  • realmenluvporn said on Aug 16, 2006....
    Don't get me wrong, I really was expressing MY OPINION. I was merely pointing out that the WAY you deliver your message is what matters. Especially when it comes to subjective things that cannot be proven. Some people really are so caught up in their own ideas that they don't even recognize their own sentiments, hell in several cases, they don't even recognize their own WORDS when they see them! Yes, I'm a dick, I freely admit that. But I really thought more people would truly see right through me. I guess I should apologize, huh... Q
  • StupidGenius said on Aug 16, 2006....
    [b]Confess to all your sins soulcasters[/b] you will feel better, [b]promise[/b] ||{1}||
  • madstorm said on Aug 17, 2006....
    When it comes to showing the illogical nature of the defence of religious beliefs the American comedian Bill Hicks had it right. Bill Hicks. "Do you think if Jesus comes back he ever wants to see a fucking cross? It's a bit like going up to Jackie Onassis with a rifle pendant on... just thinking of John Jackie... click (imitates pulling a trigger). I did that joke down in Alabama and these three red-necks met me after the show". Red-necks. "Hey buddy, we're christians and we don't like what you said" Bill Hicks. "Then forgive me" ANYONE that truly believes in Christianity or ANY belief would NEVER feel offended by critiscism.
  • realmenluvporn said on Aug 17, 2006....
    Madstorm: Well said! Bill Hicks was an insightful man who was taken from us far too soon! He had so many good points, especially about religion. And I totally agree with you that if their beliefs were solid then a prick like me shouldn't be able to rattle them so easily. Q/RMLP
  • hotaka said on Aug 18, 2006....
    I am so lost now. I don't know who is the psychotic one anymore. Either realmenluvporn is a very deep and deeply misunderstood genius or I am going to have to write him off as a looney who is just trying to churn up the shit in the outhouse in hopes of offending anyone who stops in to see what he's doing. Check it, bro. WTFs up widju? Gotta say though, your thread is more successful than anything I have ever posted. :( Maybe I should try pissing off people too.
  • realmenluvporn said on Aug 18, 2006....
    Hotaka: I can't tell you which I am, ultimately you'll have to decide for yourself. Maybe I'm just another opinionated asshole. RMLP
  • yeahbutnobut said on Aug 18, 2006....
    This may help you put it in perspective hotaka:

    Thing is genius and lunacy are not always widely separated qualities. Sometimes they are seamless bound in one entity. And it could be that our dear RMLP is such a phenom. What we my refer to the as "the self" is like a mirrorball. Lots of facets, lots of colors. . .

    Also, sometimes we piss people off, and other times they get pissed off all on their own. And a lot of the time it's the second more than the first.
  • realmenluvporn said on Aug 18, 2006....
    Sorry, never meant to suggest I myself was not a raving lunatic.

    ;-)

    RMLP
  • yeahbutnobut said on Aug 18, 2006....
    I know it. You already disclosed that you were a psychologist, so I glommed unto the hint days ago, mate.

    :)
  • realmenluvporn said on Aug 18, 2006....
    Yeahbutnobut: You're one sharp cookie! I knew I liked you for a good reason! :-D

    RMLP
  • hotaka said on Aug 18, 2006....
    I have heard the only real difference between genius and lunacy is in the eye of the beholder. Some of the greatest minds in history have been considered cranks only to become vindicated after death.

    As far as people getting pissed off goes, it's true often people get pissed off themselves. Other times, some people just don't realize they are being insensitive to others feelings. Perhaps patience adn tolerance together can help quell the storm. Unless of course you are one of those people who like making storms, in which case Blow, winds, and crack your cheeks! Rage! Blow! You cataracts and hurricanes, spout till you have drench'd our steeples, drown'd the cocks!

    Ah, those poor cocks...

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