• silverwhisper said on May 18, 2008....

  wait, what did my idiot president say about suffering palestinians? i think i missed this, trinov. ?
  
  ed

• Trinov said on May 18, 2008....

  Hi, In Israel he gave a well written speech (he can afford a good speech writer) that made Israelis (who don't want to look below the surface) feel good. Then he goes to Suadi Arabia, and makes this speech about how he feels for the poor long suffering palestinians who need to have an independent state to make them feel better.
  
  As I mentioned before, he wants to chop up Israel, to the point that an answering letter from Sharon had to point out that we couldn't go back to the 1947 UN lines! Bush wrote in a letter back that he didn't want a 'Swiss cheese' palestinian state, that meant that he desires a Swiss Cheese Israel. We need 'friends' like the Bush family, like a hole in the head.
  
  

• silverwhisper said on May 18, 2008....

  i'm hoping this incident finally puts a bullet between the eyes about the american conventional wisdom that you elect democrats for domestic affairs & republicans for foreign affairs...
  
  ed

• Trinov said on May 18, 2008....

  Hi, the world is so wierd now any conventional wisdom is out the window anyway.
  
  Each time I vote here (I don't vote in American elections) I am so tempted to write in Alfred E. Newman, or Groucho Marks, or Mighty Mouse on that little piece of paper we still use here.
  
  If you never saw Salah Sabbati --all about an immigrant's trials in 1950's Israel, by the great satirist Ephriam Kishon, you should try to see the CD sometime. There is a scene in which the hero goes to the voting booth and tries to insert all the voting slips of all the parties who tried to bribe him to vote for them. Every time I go to vote I see that scene and can barely keep from cracking up and actually trying to repeat it myself. Very little has changed here politically.
  
  As to the way American presidents relate to Israel, I haven't seen much difference between the parties. In general, both parties seem to be incarnations of tweedle dee and tweedle dum. To my horror that is true here too-the Likud, Avodah, (and Kadima) are all braindead in the same way. They used to be braindead in different ways. It was more interesting once upon a time.

• silverwhisper said on May 19, 2008....

  i hate to tell you this, trinov, but american foreign policy cannot be divided so simply as "good for israel" and "bad for israel", since the US isn't israel. should americans judge israel on the basis of whether israel is good for the US or bad for the US?
  
  ed

• Trinov said on May 19, 2008....

  Hi, actually the American State Department did this from the beginning-relate to Israel on how it can be of help or not be of help to the US, and in the beginning the State Department and the Pentagon were against the formation of the state of modern Israel--Truman stood alone against his whole cabinet- plus -to vote for Israel's re-creation through the UN.
  
  There was a bann on selling weapons to Israel, the Hagana had to smuggle weapons out of America, --together with the IRA people smuggling weapons to Ireland. (The US permitted England to wiretape Jewish and Irish households without any legal procedure--while the British had well armed the Arabs (and you bet the Oranges too) and trained the Jordan Legion which joined in the attack against Israel with the other Arab armies ). And I still remember the Czechi rifles that were still in use in the 1960's and 1970's in the Home Guard--since eastern European countries where the only ones selling us weapons (or airplanes) legally. Most American foreign policy towards Israel is exactly that--90% to the oil interests and America's supposed allies among the Arabs and 10% for what Israel can do for them: get votes from the religious right, get Jewish votes and money, get services from Israel -ie lots of undercover and under the table services, such as selling Rumania captured Russian tanks on the bidding of the US(so that the USSR would not notice them arming), help in spy missions, research, research, research --- and a base for the US Navy and its repairs etc.
  
  And most importantly they want Israel to keep a balance in the middle east--but only a precarious balance--for anytime Israel gets too strong the Americans don't like it. They didn't like our being well armed, so we have a weapons industry, they didn't want us to have a major computer, we built one, they didn't want to give us spy satillite information, we have several of our own, they didn't want us to have our own jet planes--that was cancelled thanks to Mose Arans,-- win some loose some.
  
  I don't remember mentioning that I judge America only on how it relates to Israel. Both parties are still Tweedlee Dee and Tweedle Dum when it comes to most major domestic issues over the years. The rest is spin and fireworks.
  
  If you think I'm wrong, think: what major changes in domestic policy ever occurr when the congress or the presidency change parties. Did anyone change Reganomics? Did any party prevent the drain of factories to China and Asia? Your congress is basically pork-barrel: help my consistuency and I'll help yours--without seeing a total picture of what is happening on a party level or on a national or international level. When will they tackle the food problem, for instance?
  
  

• silverwhisper said on May 19, 2008....

  what changed? let's begin with my idiot president's continued war against civil liberties, slowly & surely being stripped away to the brain-dead bleating of apologists who think that the ends always justify the means.
  
  as to how you determine the value of american foreign policy: look at how much time you spend talking about how it affects israel but nothing else.
  
  what you say is what matters to you, trinov. and there's nothing wrong with that--nothing at all! just be honest with yourself about what does matter to you.
  
  ed

• Trinov said on May 19, 2008....

  And the Clinton's health care proposal didn't intend to strip Americans of the means to choose even their own supplements? (Germany lost that right under a similar treaty, they have to go get a doctor's prescription to get a vitamin tablet that is available in health food stores here and in America). The democrats and republicans have the same agenda. Who initiated that treaty which is dissolving American borders? Then who kept it up. No revolutions there.
  
  Of course I see things from my perspective--but I also see a picture of what is happening in the whole world, (see my blog on the student who was tasered, in Florida,-- that's still America?right) and from that perspective, America doesn't really have a two part system. In the same way, Israel, with all its parties, is still ruled by the demented left. (I grew up with them. My parents were believing 'cadre'.) As long as people see their political parties as baseball or soccer teams, and don't take a good long look at what is or isn't accomplished, what is or isn't changed and what is happening to civil liberties under all parties-- ie being stripped away both by the left and the right--they will be clueless and ruled by those who have a different agenda entirely.

• silverwhisper said on May 20, 2008....

  the healthcare proposal means nothing compared to our civil liberties. for someone who's lived in the US, you have an astonishing lack of appreciation for that.
  
  and i'm very curious to see how you substantiate your assertion that both parties are assaulting american civil liberties b/c right now it's an assertion without support.
  
  although that's certainly completely unrelated to this blog entry, so i apologize for taking the discussion off-topic.
  
  
  
  anyway: sorry my president's a complete ninnyhammer, trinov.
  
  ed

• Trinov said on May 20, 2008....

  Hi, at the time Gary Null's staff actually read the damn proposal and from what I remember, it limited people's choices about healthcare. For example, it is very much a civil liberty to go into a healthfood store or pharmacy and buy whatever vitamin--not drug or herbal combination that you learned is good for you, or your alternate therapist recommended.
  
  In Germany, where the original version of the European health care plan originated or at least was initiated, you cannot buy therapeutic strength vitamins--ie anything that is worth taking at all, without a doctor's prescription. Most doctors do not have training in Nutrition, even today when there is an optional course in most medical schools--read optional, for a term on such topics. Nutritionist, naturaopaths, herbalists and many just plain folks who have read a bit, know that Vitamin C is an essential part of our bodies and that unlike most animals we do not manufacture it (that is what is taught at least) and neither do monkies and apes. For over 80 years it has been known that an additional 1,000 units of C can go a long way to prevent most minor illnesses. To get that much C in food, you have to work at it many ten grapefruits (I ate that once when working in the rain picking oranges) or 15 to 20 red peppers etc. In short, most people don't get that much vitamin C. This type of problem is somewhat true today with Vitamin A (which can get rid of an eye-caused headache so quickly you won't believe it) and you'd need about twenty carrots or a big glass of carrot juice to get the equivalent and most people don't get that per day.
  
  There have been several attempts by interested groups in the past to take therapeutic dose vitamins out of the hands of informed citizens and put it in the greedy hands of the conventional doctors. Doctors who have broken the unspoken code and become ortho-molecular doctors--ie they use vitamins and herbs and diets as tools for healing, have been legally prosecuted. If you want to get a real understanding of this problem, I'm sure some of it is still on Gary Null's website.
  
  While I do not agree with his politics re Israel, I still have to grant him much respect for everything else he has been doing, from he 1970's onwards.
  
  Any government that would prevent someone like me from getting enough vitamin C would be condemning me to death. Any government who would go after little old ladies who grow chamille tea on their window sill (some government in Europe did this if my memory doesn't fail me) is even more 'assholian' than the US government and my government which prosecutes people growing friendly weeds.
  
  Re the new 'homeland security laws' well I agree with you if you think that they are very dangerous-- even the working 'homeland security' is a translation from the German. If you could get a hold of the old FEMA and the new FEMA protocols --you will see the the old ones were just as scary. They came out during or shortly after WWII and I remember reading that they defined someone as a possible 'spy' --only on the grounds of 'posession of a typewriter'. The way they operated in Lousiana was reminescent of the Nazis takeing Jews away to the camps: separating families, preventing the taking of pets, etc. That is not how to rescue people, that is how to destroy them.The whole set up has been there for two generations at least. Look what they did to Japanese citizens!
  
  The democrats as well as the Republicans don't come out innocent. I gave lots of my time as a young New Yorker to work for certain leftist candidates and now I find that some of them were also in Skull and Bones. You don't like conspiracy theories, but all history is a string of them, the American revolution was a conspiracy, so was the Magna Carta, so was the assasination of Julius Ceasar (Et tu Bruté) they just happened to succeed. But before they succeeded they had a long conspiracy stage. The ones that didn't succeed we know as failed revolts, or we don't know about them at all.
  
  I was appalled at all the taser incidents in the last few years. I blogged on it. I was appalled at what happened to a New Yorker at Phoneix airport (Gottbaum) and am still keeping a long file on it, including some horrible stories of other people who were abused at that airport and what a local alternative paper was saying (and the police closed it for a couple of weeks right after the editorial ) etc. I wanted to blog on it but I wasn't sure of the facts, and now there will at least be a civil law suit (6 people died in Phoniex police custody in the last year). I read and try to be informed about civil liberties in various parts of the world, and for the most part this world is not a very civilized place, and very few countries truly give their citizens any kind of civil liberties in actuality. America was, to some extent (if you were not a communist, or involved in Puerto Rican liberation, etc) a freer country. But not for the Rosenbergs, but that is another story.
  
  Civil rights therefore involve vitamins, they involve alcohol, they involve 'pot'.
  
  I remember getting up in the Kibbutz Meeting and stating that I believed that anyone could do anything they damned well pleased in their own room. The limits -I believed --came when what I do or what you do in our rooms would bother others, or what I do or you do in public would bother or hurt others. Someone who gets stoned in the privacy of their room or screws around is not public businees, someone who gets stoned and breaks windows, or hands a joint to a child, well that is a different story altogether. (Jewish law makes many distinctions of this kind by the way).
  
  

• Trinov said on May 20, 2008....

  Hi, here is Gary Null's website. He is also a researcher par excellence about civil rights issues and used to be on WBAI for two hours a day also about political issues.
  
  http://www.garynull.com/
  
  

• skald said on May 21, 2008....

  I just wanted to say that I am so very sorry. How can they do this. Of course I know, hatred. Sorry. 

• Trinov said on May 22, 2008....

  There are unfortunately people who enjoy hurting others. This most possibly comes from a childhood of abuse or from a selfish ideology. On the world scale, there are people who don't believe in the Creator, so that they don't see other people or animals or forests as Holy Creations but as random accidents that can be eliminated. Or there are people who think that the Creator only cares for them. Jewish law, on the other hand, teaches that all people are loved by the Creator, that all animals have rights and so do all trees etc--so that an act of cruelty or waste is an act against G-d, for all belongs to Him.

• skald said on May 22, 2008....

  Trinov.  You are right. There is darkness in those people's minds and it would be good if they could change their thinking. That they would get some help to change their thinking, somehow. 

• Trinov said on May 23, 2008....

  Hi, I'm afraid that in order for the whole world to change its thinking --we are being put into a bad times scenario. This is called The End of Days in my tradition and the Hopi Indians have, on their part been warning the world for the last 20 years or so, they even sent a delegation to the United Nations. When the Creator puts us into such a pattern, He can turn it off in a second, if we all understand the lesson before it finishes.
  
  I don't believe that anything is random, the earthquake in China has destroyed or damaged 15 nuclear sites, including the main Chinese Army nuclear weapons site as well as the site for refining plutonium. This was mentioned in Debkafile. Also, China as been used by the One World to take out the industry from all the industrial nations--with the expection of Germany, which still makes superior appliances and tools. If China is injured enough, there will be a huge shortage of everything electrical. Won't that be interesting? And also, the Chinese government has declared a war on families, and now those who had only one child, are now childless. Maybe this could be enough for the Chinese people to get rid of their present government. I also read that there are 40,000,000 single men in China because no family wanted to disappear without a son, so they aborted or murdered female babies. So the Chinese are getting shook up to wake up. They have tremendous power, discipline and intelligence, they could be a force for good in the world.
  
  Before the flood, for 120 years while Noah (and his plumbers, electricians, carpenters etc were building the ark in his backyard), people had a chance to change. But they thought Noah was a nut-case.
  
  Today, even with evidence from several 20th century explorers and a film shot right before the Russian Revolution by the Czar's army (and taken by the Boshevik forces and ??) people don't believe that there was an ark. Those who visited it when it was half thawed said that one floor was empty, one floor had tens of thousands of cages and the bottom was petrified something (waste products --from our sources).
  
  (I had a boy in my class whose mother was Jewish and whose father was Armenian, and he told me that his Armenian grandfather said that many Armenians in that area would go up in the summer to chip pieces off the ark for good luck. I was startled and gave a typical teacher's reply on how that would destroy an artifact.) So we are now in a stage 'before the Flood' where we can stop the clock.

• skald said on May 23, 2008....

  I must say that I am really sorry for the Chinese nation. That is all I can say now. 

• Trinov said on May 24, 2008....

  The Chinese are an ancient people, and they survived with a civilization that was entirely their own for thousands of years, (from the little knowledge that I have of them). We 'took a course' --actually a TV course on China about 15 years ago, and it was fascinating. And how they mobilized to move their industrial center out of the way of the Japanese bombers was incredible! And how they built the Burma road to allow transport of goods in WWII--also incredible! So why can't that energy be used to get rid of a government that is doing them harm and being used to harm the rest of the planet?

• skald said on May 24, 2008....

  Trinov. And they are a peaceful people. They are not people who love wars. They also have much of wisdom. Thank you my friend. 

• Trinov said on May 25, 2008....

  Hi, my mother started to learn Chinese and she has lots of Chinese friends and an open invitation to go and visit one of them, but she is a bit old for that now.
  
  There was a Chinese symbol in ancient Jewish writings of 2,000 years ago. And Jews and Arabs used the silk road for trade, and one end of the silk road goes to Jerusalem.

• skald said on May 25, 2008....

  Trinov.  I do think the silk road is very interesting. I have seen some documentaries about it. Too bad your mum can't go to visit her Chinese friends.
  
  I did not know that there were Chinese symbols in ancient Jewish writings.
  

• Trinov said on May 26, 2008....

  Hi, there was much more traveling in ancient times than standard history courses allow for. Much travel was in flat bottomed boats which were ocean ready but could travel up and down swallow rivers. There is a remarkable book called The Atlantean (by an Irishman) and I'll search for his name if you are interested. This book explained all the inter-connections through rivers and seas. Just as the Caspian Sea was reachable from Iceland and visa versa, many places that look far away were not so hard to get to by boat.
  
  Yes and the Silkroad has many mysteries to show us if we take the time to research it. Anyone out there looking for a PH.D thesis?
  
  There many descendents of Jews in China, from many different periods. That also will be very interesting when the fogs lift. When the Israeli consulate opened in China they were at first deluged with people who were of Jewish ancestry, actually it scared the hell out of the leftist-European Jews running my country at the time. But they will not always be in power.
  
  

• skald said on May 26, 2008....

  Trinov.  Yes, I know that our forefathers  went through Russia and all the way to the Caspian sea.  I sure would like to know the name of the book.
  
  I was just looking at some documentary. I came in late but the people looked like any other black Africans but they had some genes that would put them back to Asia and they said that they were  Jewish descenders
  

• Trinov said on May 27, 2008....

  Hi, you probably saw the DaLemba tribe, but the Ibos, and a few other African tribes are possibly descended from Jews. The Ethiopians are not the last African Jews, and I hope that when the Ethiopians have their own political power base (they have two members of Knesset now) they will not be afraid to look into this matter.
  
  When we get back from Miron I'll get back to you with the author. Bli Neder as we are supposed to say, (without an oath) because the future is never in our hands.
  ,
  In the museum in Iceland is/was a tapestry with the single Hebrew word 'Yachad' which means together. In that same room I saw something else that seemed Jewish to me, this was a long time ago, I wonder if the tapestry is still there? The question is: was the Hebrew from the Irish monks who came to Iceland or was it directly from the contacts between the Vikings and the Jews in the Caspian area? This is something I can only wonder about at this time.Also, was silk available to the Vikings? If so they got it on the Silkroad or from merchants who traveled it.

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