• crybabylu said on Apr 25, 2008....

  Bell, a 23-year-old black man, was killed in a hail of gunfire outside a seedy strip club in Queens on Nov. 25, 2006 — his wedding day — as he was leaving his bachelor party with two friends.

   

  The article said that because of high pre-trial publicity, the verdict was decided by a judge rather than a jury.  Of course, they were acquitted!  You mean we are expected to believe that the judge in the case would have done anything different!...

• bloc said on Apr 25, 2008....

  I think it's bull too. I heard someone say (can't remember if it was the judge or the lawyer of the defendants) that the prosecutors didn't prove that the victims weren't a threat to the killers.
  
  Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that if I killed someone it was on me to prove that it was self defense, not on the victim to prove it wasn't.

• curmudgeon said on Apr 25, 2008....

  But in the case of police officers, the question before court is whether or not they feared for their lives in this confrontation. I don't know all of the details, but late Saturday night, sketcky strip club, trying to apprehend guys inside a car who may or may not have been armed but weren't cooperating...what might any of us have done in their situation?
   
  And they used a judge precisely because of the concern that a jury wouldn't give the officers a fair shake.
   
  People who haven't heard all the evidence, who weren't there, who have little to no idea what these officers were experiencing, came to the hasty conclusion that the officers were guilty.
   
  The judge's decision was a hard one, but it had to be made based on all of the evidence presented, not sentiment.

• crybabylu said on Apr 25, 2008....

  Thank you bloc,

  curmudgeon-----I have been following this from day one, and there was all kinds of evidence, witnesses, etc.  What happened to all of that?  I will tell you!

  INTIMIDATION!

• bloc said on Apr 25, 2008....

  @curm
  I'm unsure why jurors wouldn't give officers a fair shake but a judge would? I think that when the government uses force it makes more sense for the ruling to be made by ordinary citizens and not a judge that is part of the government.

• crybabylu said on Apr 25, 2008....

  So, does that mean this is the end of it?

• sheltercrow said on Apr 25, 2008....

  Detective Michael Oliver fired 31 shots
   
  What the Detectives said after the verdict?
   
  “I’d like to thank the Lord, my savior, for today."
   
  “I’d like to thank the Lord Jesus Christ.”
   
  The third faggot obviously an athiest said...
   
  “Good afternoon, I’d like to just say thank you to all my family and friends”

• sheltercrow said on Apr 25, 2008....

  It is unclear what the future holds for the three detectives, who, according to their lawyers, are all eager to get back to their regular police work and shoot some more unarmed black people.

• sheltercrow said on Apr 25, 2008....

  Hardly a note on the victim or the victim's family but you know those officers really suffered...
  
  Each detective had been in deep retreat [cop-speak for drunk] for the last 17 months, their lawyers said, rarely venturing outside their homes [cop-speak for too drunk to walk or talk], and finding solace in family members and close friends [cop-speak for other drunks].
  
  “It’s been hell for him,” said Philip E. Karasyk, who represented Detective Isnora. “He’s been a nervous wreck [hangovers are hell].”
  
  Detective Isnora, 29, who is of Haitian and Mexican descent, was born in Brooklyn and lives in Bushwick with his mother. As a youngster he was a solid student [straight C average], Mr. Karasyk said, attending the High School for Mathematics, Science and Engineering at City College [trade school for retards] and working as a lifeguard for the city. Mr. Karasyk said the Isnora family had been very proud when he became a police officer [couldn't find a real job]. But after the Bell shooting, neighborhood sentiment turned sharply against him [who likes a trigger happy killer-cop?], according to Pablo Rios, who lives across the street from the family. Mr. Rios said that Detective Isnora’s sister was so routinely harassed [humiliated] as she made her way to work that she moved to Staten Island to get away from the hostility. “Literally, she was scared,” Mr. Rios said.

• sheltercrow said on Apr 25, 2008....

  At the news conference [of course after the verdict], Michael J. Palladino, the president of the Detectives’ Endowment Association [corrupt cop labor union], lashed out at [threatened] critics of the Police Department and of the three detectives. He said the district attorney’s office had omitted critical information [the officers were really scared] when they presented the case to the grand jury, which indicted the three detectives. Mr. Palladino also leveled criticism [threats] at Mr. Bell’s friends Trent Benefield and Joseph Guzman, who were both gravely injured [and unarmed] in the shooting, and who testified during the trial.

• crybabylu said on Apr 25, 2008....

  I am standing here on fire!...burning mad!

  Thanks Sheltercrow...

• sheltercrow said on Apr 25, 2008....

  There have been few judges or juries that will convict a cop no matter what they do. For all intents and purposes they really are above the law.

• crybabylu said on Apr 25, 2008....

  you can sure say that!

• crybabylu said on Apr 25, 2008....

  Where is Rodney King when we need him?

• sheltercrow said on Apr 25, 2008....

  

• crybabylu said on Apr 25, 2008....

  you got it from the same site, i saw that one too..thanks!

• crybabylu said on Apr 25, 2008....

  
  
  

• sheltercrow said on Apr 25, 2008....

  
  

  From Sean Bell verdict sticks to script | Juan Gonzalez | Daily News
  
  It does not matter whether Bell, Joseph Guzman and Trent Benefield were choir boys or thugs. The simple fact is they had no guns.
  
  There was an altercation outside a strip joint. Words were exchanged. Bell and his two friends were clearly filled with alcohol, but they walked away. Whether one of them said he was going to get a gun or not was never conclusively proved.
  
  As they got into their car, they were confronted by a man waiving a gun at them. Witnesses, even cops who took the stand, contradicted each other as to whether Isnora identified himself as cop.
  
  An unmarked police van with no lights flashing drove up the street into the path of Bell's car. Ask yourself for a moment: If you had just left an argument with some stranger and you suddenly see a man rushing at you with a gun, and then some van drive up and block your exit, what would you do?

  Would you wait around and ask some polite questions? Or would you try to speed away from the scene as fast as possible - even if it meant your car hitting the stranger with gun?
  
  I know what I would do - and I'm not trained to react instantly in life and death situations.
  
  Neither was Sean Bell, who was drunk, and who no doubt wanted to be alive for his wedding.
  
  The only ones on Liverpool Street that morning who had professional training in such situations were Isnora, Gescard, Cooper and the other members of their team.
  
  Isnora claimed he thought Guzman was reaching for a gun, only there was no gun. Diallo was reaching for his wallet. Stansburry was merely opening the door.
  
  The people who are trained made a mistake. The civilians who are not trained ended up dead.
  
  Throughout the black and Latino neighborhoods of this city, the anguish has been mounting for years from these periodic "mistakes."
  
  That anguish is made far worse by a court system that always seems to devise some legal wording or excuse to declare there was no crime.
  
  Now everyone is speculating about violence or rioting. Just another way of blaming the victim. The greatest threat of all is loss of faith in our judicial system.
  
  In some parts of this city, many are more convinced than ever that there is one law for them and another for the police.

• crybabylu said on Apr 25, 2008....

  How close are we all to living in a "police state?"...

• sheltercrow said on Apr 25, 2008....

  Cooperman was silent on what many considered a key issue in the case - whether the undercover cops identified themselves before they opened fire.
  
  "The incident lasted just seconds," the judge said. Despite "the unfortunate circumstances of their conduct, the actions of the defendants was not proved to be criminal."
  
  None of the detectives testified, although their grand jury testimony was read out loud at the trial.
  
  Rev. Al Sharpton vows to 'close the city down' after cops' acquittal in Bell trial
  
  The Rev. Al Sharpton, who represented the Bell family, angrily denounced the verdicts on his radio show later and called on his followers to protest the outcome, but without violence.
  
  He vowed to lead a campaign of "economic withdrawal" and civil disobedience that could include demonstrations at police headquarters and outside the judge's home.
  
  "We are coming back to demonstrate to the federal government that New Yorkers will not take this abortion of justice lying down," Sharpton said. "We are going to close the city down in a nonviolent, effective way."
  
  

• sheltercrow said on Apr 25, 2008....

  When was Harry Truman elected?

• crybabylu said on Apr 25, 2008....

  well the first time he served was April of 1945,? or when he was actually elected?

  Anyhow, I hope Shapton brings hell down on them!.......

• sheltercrow said on Apr 25, 2008....

  “The [Veterans Administration], for example, has announced that it will not help badly injured veterans register to vote since those who've been thus damaged by Bush/Cheney's war aren't likely to be big McCain supporters.”

• sheltercrow said on Apr 25, 2008....

  what browser do you use?

• crybabylu said on Apr 25, 2008....

  do you mean intenet explorer?

• sheltercrow said on Apr 25, 2008....

  yea

• kumarilata said on Apr 26, 2008....

  i thought this was horrible the way it turned out.

• crybabylu said on Apr 26, 2008....

  I'll say!

• sheltercrow said on Apr 26, 2008....

  Speaking of horrible things... Trinov has blocked me... My favorite Zionist meat puppet has blocked me... I must change my strategy on how to defeat the evil Zionist scum...

• sheltercrow said on Apr 26, 2008....

  Speaking of horrible things...

• curmudgeon said on Apr 28, 2008....

  I heard a vaugely interesting conversation on NPR this morning. Brian Lerher had on a politician, some lawyer, and an editor from the Amsterdam news all talking about the ramifications about this case.
   
  The politician (Conyers, I believe), was scheduled to walk the two blocks Bell and his friends walked to get an idea of what happened.
   
  Of course, Lehrer didn't bother to try and get anyone on the show who has walked in the shoes of the undercover detectives. No one seems to want to discuss the pressures they face on a day to day basis. Certain parties on this site are coming close to crying racism knowing full well that two of the officers were black. No one seems to want to acknowlege the reality that these guys are human, that they are blue-collar, middle class New Yorkers putting themselves in harm's way to protect the public. Every loudmouthed social advocate wants to throw these working guys into jail without knowing anything about them.
   
  Yes - the detectives were trained - but what are they trained to do in shooting situations? To shoot and keep shooting until the suspects are down and not moving. Unfortunately no one seems to want the public to know this little fact.
   
   

• curmudgeon said on Apr 28, 2008....

  The point I'm trying to make is that we have to be able to look at this situation from both sides, not just one. It's clear to me that most of the people who have commented on this post are only looking at it from the side of Bell and his friends. That's not justice, friends.
   
  Bloc - this is exactly why a judge decided the case. If anything, the jury would have had to consist of six civilians and six police officers to achieve the necessary balance of objectivity.

• crybabylu said on Apr 28, 2008....

  Curm--In my opinion, you are the one who doesn't want to look at both sides!!!!!!

  You tell me when a judge is going to convict "their own"....

  You show me, where in a case like this.   The only reason the Rodney King verdict  was vacated was because of all the riots that ensued after every last one of those cops were acquitted!!!!

  Police brutality needs to stop!

  How many people do they have to murder!!  before we do something abou it.

  They are servants of the people....

  They are not above the law!

  If they are paranoid about a group of black men coming out a bar at four in the morning, then they are in the wrong line of business...

  They shouldn't be cops!

  If nothing else......they should have been removed from their posts!!!!!!!!

• curmudgeon said on Apr 28, 2008....

  crybaby - accuse me of being one-sided all you want. You don't know me or my life experience, and I'm not going to dignify your personal attack with a response. It's uncouth and it's beneath you. I'll chalk it up to the strong feelings you have about this case. 

  I wasn't present at trial. I didn't hear all the testimony. I didn't physically see all the evidence. Moreover I wasn't a witness to the incident. I'm not relying on third-hand reporting and deludung myself into thinking that I know all there is to be known about this case. Therefore, I'm not in a position to judge.

  That's why I leave it to the judge.

  Enough. Best wishes.

• crybabylu said on Apr 28, 2008....

  I apologize if you think this is a personal attack on you!  That is not my intent, and if that is the way it is coming across....I am deeply sorry. 

  There would definitely have to be something wrong with my perception if that is in fact what I am doing!

  I am just saying that I dont see that you are portraying both sides of the issue.  You are the one who says one must look at both sides, not me.

  I am one sided in this!   I am tired of "our" black men being targetted, and that is what it looks like to me....

  It wasnt meant to be a personal attack on you.  For that I am sincerely sorry.  I have nothing against you personally, and I do read your blog and posts from time to time and I don't think you have a bias or personal agenda.

  I just think in this case, you are not seeing both sides like you suggest...That is all!

  Please forgive me if it looks like I am saying something else.  I don't feel that way about you at all!

• bloc said on Apr 28, 2008....

  "If anything, the jury would have had to consist of six civilians and six police officers to achieve the necessary balance of objectivity."
  
  
  Really? Does this mean that all these black people who have been convicted by white juries did not get fair trials unless there were 6 black people on the jury?

• crybabylu said on Apr 28, 2008....

  If you are directing that towards me bloc, about juries having 6 black people on them, I don't know the answer to that.  I just think there is racial profiling going on in some precints around the country.

• bloc said on Apr 29, 2008....

  it was directed at the quote by curm

• crybabylu said on Apr 29, 2008....

  Thank you, I thought so, but wanted to make certain.

• kumarilata said on Apr 29, 2008....

  you certainly have strong opinions on this one. =Lata

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