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A Word About China

 

 

Let’s give China a break. Just this once. After all, it’s for the Olympics. The whole world has decided to play together just every four years. Do you want to blow this recess?

 

I have a good reason, even beyond Olympic brotherhood, to cut China some slack. Let’s remember, the people living in China go back hundreds of generations and have survived many kinds of governments.

 

Politicians and pop culture militants are fixated on the current Communist regime and China’s refusal to let Taiwan and Tibet secede from the union. They’re pissed off about the Olympics being held in “Communist China” period.

 

China and all the Chinese people were pretty much doing their own thing until the middle of the 19th century. That’s when the English made a fortune selling opium to the Chinese people. When the people realized what it was doing to them and said “Stop!” – then the English launched the Opium War and China was up for grabs.

 

In rushed the Dutch, the Germans, the French, the Russians, and yes, even the Americans.

 

The English decided to take the city of Hong Kong for themselves. The Americans pressured everyone else into laying off of the actual political takeover of their pieces of the giant China pie, but by then the Japanese had been brought up to speed technologically by – the Americans! – and wanted some China and Korea of their own.

 

While all this was happening, the Chinese were a feudal people with no army to resist the growing oppression. Pockets of bold resistance appeared, but could only do so much.

 

In other words, the people of China have suffered great oppression and humiliation at the hands of the outside world for two hundred years.

 

And while the similarities aren’t exact, there was another country that didn’t take kindly to it’s states seceding from the union – and fought a bloody Civil War for half a decade to prevent it.

 

Let’s give the Chinese people the respect they should have always been afforded. Time out.

 

Carry the torch!

 

- OO -

 

 



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  • uniquely-ironic said on Apr 22, 2008....
    Excuse my cynacism.  Tibet also has a long history of it's own.  It spent centuries fighting to maintain it's independance until it was most recently taken over by the Chinese.  It was unable to keep up with technology and so modern weaponry.  When they asked for help resisting the advances of other bordering countries the Chinese promised to protect the Tibetans.  Instead they tried to assimilate them.  This makes Tibet the unwilling captive of China.
     
    No. Sorry.  We may send athletes to China to compete, but they get no break or grace from me for their strong handed politics.  We do not have to agree with their politics or policies to compete.  If they want to be seen in a favorable light politically speaking they know what they need to do.
     
  • HoleInTheCosmos said on Apr 22, 2008....
    Perhaps assimilation was the only way to protect that place geographically. Offhand, uniquely, do you know China's rationale for the assimilation? I don't and was only wondering if you or someone else reading this can provide it?
     
    I think mOOn is trying to make a distinction between the government and the people, and that is a trick often used by we Americans when we apologize for having the Bush Administration.
     
    I think the whole world could be categorized as "government activists" and "civilians" in every nation, the civilians of the world a politically  benign majority.
     
  • uniquely-ironic said on Apr 22, 2008....
    Okay, just did a little recon on the role of China in Tibet.  The two countries had a tenuous relationship for centuries.  Tibet always resisting assimilation of it's unique culture but open to working in conjunction with China.  It wasn't until the turn of last century when the British aggressively sought to establish trade routines from India to China and Russia that Tibet was given much thought.  By way of complex treaties, in which Tibet never reliquished it's independance, the larger powers trimmed and croweded the borders of Tibet reducing it's size considerably.  Finally at the end of WWII the Chinese started an campaign of reasserting it's ancient claims on Tibet.  It denied recognizing it more recently as an independant and finally through a war of higher technology and money (2.5 million rupees to India at one point) it bought the support of the other surrounding countries.
     
    While the common people of China may not have played a direct role in the stealing of Tibet, their complacent acceptance of this wrong allows the government to pull it off.  No one is specifically critisizing the people, and in fact makes it clear that the government of China is corrupt.
  • Kilgore_V_Trout said on Apr 22, 2008....

    mOOn, stick to the arts. Politics ain't your game, son. Here's the skinny ---- in times of dire stress, when no other resort is handy, when they're mad as hell and they ain't gonna take any more, that, my friend, is when you tip over the sacred cow. If we start restricting social protests to the 'proper' time and place, requiring permits and forewarnings, then we've got no effective protest. Did Gandhi apply for a permit? Did Martin Luther King work around sporting events? (oops - don't really know that one, butI hope not). When the whole world is watching is when ya makes yer move. Your sympathy for the poor betrodden Chinese people is nice and sentimental, but history ain't necessarily the best guidepost for dealing with modern problems. Just because the people settled for the best choice out of the worst options available doesn't mean that the bad guys get a "time out" ---- does it?
  • celestialspace2001 said on Apr 22, 2008....
    You can protest any country as worthy of "honor" due to its governments blunders. Countries are more than governements. China is a very old culture and still has much to offer everyone, we shouldn't blow them off.
  • mOOn_platOOn said on Apr 22, 2008....
     
    I am well aware that Mao's theory of violent revolution continues in practice in today's China. I'm no fan of communism, and believe that - in the manner of the Soviet Union - "this, too, shall pass."
     
    But can you guys honestly say that you were aware of the assault on China and Korea by the rest of the world a hundred years ago?
     
    As we may take note from the American slavery experience, it takes many generations to "get over" oppression. One extreme often leads to another, just like too much Bush can make you want to vote for an Obama.
     
    It's not a "time out" for bad guys. It's time off from them in a specific arena. The Olympics is not simply "another sporting event." It is transcendant of sports, politics and religion.
     
    It's the world's show.
     
     
  • StoneMaster said on Apr 22, 2008....
    I find it hard to hold a grudge against the folks who brought us Chinese food. Of course, over there it's just - "food."
  • travelr712 said on Apr 22, 2008....
    correct me if i'm wrong moon, but nobody from america has said anything about the chinese olympics. it's all pretty much been tibetan monks driving their people to protest. so what's your beef with us?
  • desdemona said on Apr 22, 2008....
    my gosh china was raped!!!!! wait a minute travelr712, i see a lot of protesting in america about this, everybody thinks the dahli lama is dahling...who knows??? maybe he's a weirdo - not informed enuff. but that sucks what happened to china, and what gave english the right to take hong kong???? that is such crap. the english have really been a bunch of shits over the years, haven't they??
  • somethingunUSual said on Apr 22, 2008....
     
    I've always considered the bombing of England in WW2 as just a tiny payback for the unbelievably arrogant way they treated the rest of the world for centuries. Do you realize that England controlled 1/4th of the world a century ago? It was called "the white man's burden" to civilize the rest of the primitive world.
     
    They wouldn't have stopped at Hong Kong if not for pressure from the USA. And that didn't stop Japan from taking all those "pleasure women..."
     
  • sheemAfeM said on Apr 22, 2008....
    I hate everything Chinese including the food (IT ONLY LEAVES YOU HUNGRY AN HOUR LATER)...I hate the lead-poisoned toys they send over here...I hate the cheap products that fall apart....I hate the crap they send over here and the idea that all this money is going to those commies for all of their cheap, poisoned shit...and now they get all the PR and money from Olympics?! I'd like to give them a break right where it counts - thier skulls.
  • travelr712 said on Apr 22, 2008....
    where is this protesting desdemona? i haven't seen anything about that, other than a few blogs and tibetan nationalist papers that come from here who are in support of their cause. i did notice that when this whole thing started a month or so ago, the original protesters had things written on their foreheads and chests calling for freedom. what caught my eye tho, was that they weren't written in chinese or tibetan, they were written in english.
  • mOOn_platOOn said on Apr 22, 2008....
     
    Here's a small part of what's been going on, and the last time I looked, Richard Gere was still American...
     
     
    I wasn't going after Americans in particular but anyone politicizing the event, period. And that includes the athletes if they start giving "black power" salutes, etc.
     
     
  • travelr712 said on Apr 22, 2008....
    not exactly a mass demonstration moon. there are people who migrated to this country recently from tibet.
     
    but i agree with you about anyone who politicizes the event, hence my comment about the protests being written in english on the original protesters' bodies. they were after recognition in the american media.
     
    looks like it worked.
  • Lucytorial said on Apr 22, 2008....
    Didn't read everyones comments.... sorry.

    Soo off the cuff! I agree to a degree.... the olympics has nothing to do with a political and religious concern.  it should be held with the highest of esteem that china is holding the olympics..

    The tibet issue is not a peoples issue it is a political issue it deserves its own forum and deserves quite a large platform but not the olympics.. its a peaceful pursuit of all peoples all over the world regardless of race or creed.
  • lfbno7 said on Apr 23, 2008....
    It's a tough one to call, because China is as bad as we are, and we wouldn't want our own Olympics tarnished. It seemed really stupid to me when Carter pulled out of the Olympics over Russia's incursion into Afghanistan. I see the point that sometimes you need to speak up, and that the Olympics is a pretty big forum, so it isn't an easy call.

    The fact is, pretty much everyone deserves to have their Olympics boycotted. So do you want to have an Olympics or not? And if the answer is yes, would you have one in Sudan now? Or would you say something and pull out.

    At what point do we get so disgusted with a country that we refuse to play there? And then we have to be prepared for other countries to boycott our own Olympics with plenty of justification.

    I guess we could have an international Olympic area on an island somewhere, instead of "honoring" some piece of shit country, and they are pretty much all shit, just like us. All selfish money grubbing Godless pieces of unholy crap, just like us, just like China, just like Russia, just like Germany and Japan, just like Sudan, just like Uganda, just like Iraq and Iran, and on and on.

    If you have any standards at all, every history book ever written should make you want to puke at the disgusting behavior of mankind to itself.
  • Lucytorial said on Apr 23, 2008....
    Thats why lfbno it should be forefront of mind that the Chinese are not just chinese they are people, human, along with all of the other countries in the world they have elite athletes that are focused just on that, a peaceful pursuit in the ability of the human body and mind to achieve sometimes seemingly impossible goals.

    Is it not enlightening to focus on the positive aspects of it rather than to use the media and extremists, and the pros and the cons the lefties the rights the bloody opinionated masses to deter from these HUMAN BEINGS showing the world that with a lot of hard work, patience, training/education, respect and nurturing that peaceful pursuits are far better for humanity than the difference of religion, political persuassion, creed, race, ideology???

    may have gone off track sorry.
  • lfbno7 said on Apr 23, 2008....
    Sorry doesn't butter the biscuit.
  • mOOn_platOOn said on Apr 23, 2008....
    TY Lucy!!! Agrees with Ifbno - why not establish an international Olympic territory or two? Then the athletes could actually train there as well. It makes more sense all the way around, except that maybe part of the original plan was to "bring it home" and "shine the light" to and on different parts of the world?
  • Lucytorial said on Apr 23, 2008....
    Yes I can see where you are coming from mOOn, however it is about shining the light on the positive parts of the community not a political exercise in degradation and blame.  This is where we always go wrong, damn stupid people mixing things up rather than showing that as humans the side that is able to accomplish many amazing feats the Olympics is there to inspire others to greatness.
  • HoleInTheCosmos said on Apr 23, 2008....
    Jimmy Carter has made an excellent ex-President.
  • silverwhisper said on Apr 24, 2008....
    except that he met with a terrorist organization!
  • gran1de7 said on Apr 25, 2008....
    I wrote this comment one day ago in this site:

    http://www.soulcast.com/post/show/124041/Please-Sign-Petition-AT-care2petitionsite

    main purpose: nothing. simply to make sure you have an email to receive today...

    no, just kidding. i want you to know about my comment, that's all...

    "When a birthday of your child is about to come up, you won't do anything bad to spoil it..."

    Meaning, the child is this World Olympic Games, and the father is China...

    =================================================================

    Hate to say this, but are you sure China or the Dalai Lama did start the problem?

    People should inquire more... The Dalai Lama said he was not the cause of whatever revolt it was, the revolt the China was trying to pin on him...

    If this had been a theory about conspiracies, I'd rather believe it were some advanced work of anti-Chinese people who did this because they simply could not accept the fact that China is becoming a world power... or merely because... they could not stand those Chinese eyes...

    Meaning, they planned this to deface China...

    Oh, by the way, I am not pro-China... I don't like them, all right, but I don't think they were the ones who started all of this...

    http://www.upi.com/International_Security/Industry/Analysis/2008/04/18/analysis_chinese_spies_in_western_cities/5452/

    When a birthday of your child is about to come up, you yourself won't do anything bad to spoil it...

    Revenge is sweet... maybe...
  • gran1de7 said on Apr 25, 2008....


    i read this above nights ago... the 8th comment...
    • Flag travelr712 said 2 days ago....
      where is this protesting desdemona? i haven't seen anything about that, other than a few blogs and tibetan nationalist papers that come from here who are in support of their cause. i did notice that when this whole thing started a month or so ago, the original protesters had things written on their foreheads and chests calling for freedom. what caught my eye tho, was that they weren't written in chinese or tibetan, they were written in english.

  • mOOn_platOOn said on Apr 25, 2008....
    silver, remember when the Jewish "terrorists" used to go around blowing up things and people before Israel was established? One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Is it helpful to assign labels?
  • gran1de7 said on Apr 25, 2008....
    Oh, sorry. The comment made by travelr712 is the 12th comment, not in 8th place...
  • silverwhisper said on Apr 26, 2008....
    moon: er...what jewish terrorists? are you seriously going to argue that hamas isn't a buncha terrorists?

    ed
  • travelr712 said on Apr 26, 2008....
    i'm not sure i understand your point about my comment gran?
  • gran1de7 said on Apr 26, 2008....
    What I'm trying to point out here is that if this topic were about a conspiracy against China, I'd rather believe it.

    The reason why those original protesters were protesting in English might be because they wanted international attention in the first place.  If they did this either in Chinese or Tibetan language, people might only regard them as simple, brave protesters fighting for their cause.

    I wonder who suggested to them to use English for their protest? The monks themselves? Or somebody else?

    What is more, the Dalai Lama denied ever starting it... But then, China was looking for a plausible suspect, even if it couldn't find any. So, they chose the Dalai Lama instead, because it was the closest, even though it was not the Dalai Lama.

    All I know is that China was working very hard to make this a successful event. Instead, events like this happened to make them look like "goons and thugs" and "ignorant communists". Or, maybe, they "should" happen.

    This type of problem never happened to other olympics like in Australia, USA, England, or Greece... Oh, you know, in the countries of Caucasian or of English-speakers...
  • gran1de7 said on Apr 26, 2008....
    More definition: countries of Democracy.
  • mOOn_platOOn said on Apr 28, 2008....
    silver - are you kidding me? You're an educated guy and you're unaware of the tactics that were being used by Jewish militants in the 20s, 30s and 40s? Come on! Tell me it ain't so ---! And I'm not anti-semite, some of my best lays have been Jewish ;)
  • silverwhisper said on Apr 29, 2008....
    moon: evidently, i am. and i repeat: are you seriously arguing that hamas isn't a terrorist organization?

    ed
  • mOOn_platOOn said on May 02, 2008....
    Nope ed, I never even typed the word "Hamas" - and meant no implications about any specific org - but my question to you was is it helpful to brand or label politically motivated violence as "terrorists?" That's kind of a code word for "murderers," and once you're there there's no negotiating. To simplify things, watch "Exodus" with Paul Newman. Then start googling.
  • silverwhisper said on May 03, 2008....
    excuse me, on re-reading i see that you're entirely correct: my apologies. i was keying off of something holeinthecosmos said re: former president carter.

    having said that: sometimes, the shoe does fit.

    ed
  • mOOn_platOOn said on May 05, 2008....

    FYI:

    List of Irgun attacks during the 1930s

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    During the Great Uprising (1936-1939) of the Arabs in Palestine, in which more than 320 Jews were killed by Arab attacks, the Irgun carried out sixty attacks against Arabs, reflecting its world view that "political violence and terrorism" were "legitimate tools in the Jewish national struggle for the Land of Israel".[1] Following the killing of five Jews at Kibbutz Kiryat Anavim on November 9, 1937, Irgun launched a series of attacks which lasted until the beginning of World War II. All told, Irgun attacks against Arab targets resulted in at least 250 Arab deaths during this period.

    Following is a list of attacks that have been attributed to Irgun that took place during the 1930s.

    Date Casualties Comments April 20, 1936 2 Arab workers in a banana plantation killed - March, 1937 2 Arabs killed on Bat-Yam beach - April 12, 1938 2 Arabs and 2 British policemen were killed by a bomb in a train in Haifa. - April 17, 1938 An Arab was killed by a bomb detonated in a cafe in Haifa - May 17, 1938 An Arab policeman was killed in an attack on a bus in the Jerusalem-Hebron road. - May 24, 1938 3 Arabs were shot and killed in Haifa. - June 23, 1938 2 Arabs were killed near Tel-Aviv. - June 26, 1938 7 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jaffa. - June 27, 1938 An Arab was killed in the yard of a hospital in Haifa. - July 5, 1938 7 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks in Tel-Aviv. - On the same day 3 Arabs were killed by a bomb detonated in a bus in Jerusalem. - On the same day an Arab was killed in another attack in Jerusalem. - July 6 1938 18 Arabs and 5 Jews were killed by two simultaneous bombs in the Arab Melon market in Haifa. - July 8, 1938 4 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jerusalem. - July 16, 1938 10 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jerusalem. - July 25, 1938 53 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa. - August 26, 1938 24 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jaffa. - February 27, 1939 33 Arabs were killed in multiple attacks, incl. 24 by bomb in Arab market in Suk Quarter of Haifa
    and 4 by bomb in Arab vegetable market in Jerusalem. - May 29, 1939 5 Arabs were killed by a mine detonated at the Rex cinema in Jerusalem. - On the same day 5 Arabs were shot and killed during a raid on the village of Biyar 'Adas. - June 2, 1939 5 Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem - June 12, 1939 A post office in Jerusalem was bombed, killing a British bomb expert trying to defuse the bombs. - June 16, 1939 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Jerusalem. - June 19, 1939 20 Arabs were killed by explosives mounted on a donkey at a marketplace in Haifa. - June 29, 1939 13 Arabs were killed in multiple shootings during one-hour period. - June 30, 1939 An Arab was killed at a marketplace in Jerusalem. - On the same day 2 Arabs were shot and killed in Lifta. - July 3, 1939 An Arab was killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa. - July 4, 1939 2 Arabs were killed in two attacks in Jerusalem. - July 20, 1939 An Arab was killed at a train station in Jaffa. - On the same day 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Tel-Aviv. - On the same day 3 Arabs were killed in Rehovot. - August 27, 1939 2 British officers were killed by a mine in Jerusalem. -

    Only operations resulting in death are included above. The Irgun conducted at least 60 operations altogether during this period

    Violence sucks, murder sucks, politically motivated or not. Better we talk than keep sucking.

     

  • mOOn_platOOn said on May 05, 2008....

     

    A more contemporary Jewish "terrorist": Barach Goldstein....

     

    Goldstein was born in Brooklyn, New York to an Orthodox Jewish family. He attended the Yeshivah of Flatbush religious day school and Yeshiva University.[1] He received his medical training at Albert Einstein College of Medicine. He belonged to the Jewish Defense League (JDL), a militant Jewish organization founded by Rabbi Meir Kahane.[2]

    After emigrating to Israel, he served as a physician in the Israeli Defense Force, first as a conscript, then in the reserve forces. Following the end of his active duty, Goldstein worked as a physician and lived in the Kiryat Arba settlement near Hebron, where he served as an emergency doctor.[3]

    In the autumn of 1993, in recognition of his medical work, Goldstein received two citations from the Israeli Army".[4] In January 1994, Major Dr Yitzchak Ashkenazi, the local medical Officer of the district of Judea and Samaria recommended Goldstein for promotion to the rank of Major in the Israeli Army".[5]

    [edit] Cave of the Patriarchs massacre

    Main article: Cave of the Patriarchs massacre

    On February 25, 1994, that year's Purim day, Goldstein entered a room in the Cave of the Patriarchs serving as a mosque, wearing "his army uniform with the insignia of rank, creating the image of a reserve officer on active duty" (Shamgar report). He then opened fire, killing 29 Arab Muslims and wounding 150. Mosque guard Mohammad Suleiman Abu Saleh said he thought that Goldstein was trying to kill as many people as possible and described how there were "bodies and blood everywhere." After being subdued with a fire extinguisher and disarmed, Goldstein was beaten to death.[6]

    The death certificate issued by the Israeli Ministry of the Interior lists the cause of his death as "murder."[7] Although the Israeli authorities knew (via an Arab source who was present that morning) the names of those who killed Goldstein, they were never brought to trial although his wife requested that they be charged with homicide.[8]

    Palestinian rioting immediately followed the shooting, leading in the following week to the deaths of 25 Palestinians and five Israelis.[9] Following the massacre, Israel imposed a two-week curfew on the 120,000 Palestinian residents of the city, while the 400 Jewish settlers remained free to move around.[10] The Israeli government condemned the massacre.

     

    Do we stop talking to the Israelis because of nuts like this?

     

  • silverwhisper said on May 06, 2008....
    goldstein was a lone gunman, moon platoon. hamas, OTOH, has as its organizing objective the pursuit of terrorist attacks. we're talking apples: oranges here.

    ed
  • mOOn_platOOn said on May 06, 2008....
     
    We're talking about fruit all right, but it's all in the same basket. I like you silver, but your blind spot in this area is becoming quite obvious. Killers are killers and solutions don't come from calling people names and refusing to acknowledge their reality. What kind of psychological games are you playing when you can say the name of a group, pinpoint their activities and describe their membership, yet can't bring yourself to talk to them? The Jews are as bloody a people as any who've ever lived. History would indicate that they have a record of alienating themselves wherever they go. Do you honestly think that a decorated Israeli like Goldstein would do what he did without the implicit support of the establishment? This guy was mainstream, not out on the fringe. If it makes you feel better, let's call everyone in the middle east a terrorist and simply nuke the place into a parking lot for a post-Israeli/Palestinian shopping mall. Frankly, I'm sick of the whole bunch.
     
  • silverwhisper said on May 07, 2008....
    i like you too, moon, but let's remember that decorated military men have gone on to do terrible things in other parts of the world, too.

    history shows that the jews have historically been persecuted--look no further than an entire milennia+ of european history to see that. for whole centuries at a time they were not legally permitted to work or own land in various parts of europe. with a history like that, wouldn't you want to keep away from others, too?

    every neighbor the jews have had over their milennia on this planet have abused them starting with the babylonians, moving on to the romans then other europeans.

    don't you think that just maybe, it would just be reasonable to say, "all right, people either make war on us & conquer us, or just want us to keep to ourselves. fine, let's do that!"?

    ed
  • mOOn_platOOn said on May 09, 2008....
    That's an interesting perspective. I'll ponder it. Thanks for the reasonable exchange of thoughts. Carry on!

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