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I started to post on someone else's blog and realized this is my own issue and maybe i better work it out - on my own. (oops I mean with your help)  But, i hate bad marriages.  I hate that people have to stick to them and try to make them work. 
I tried so hard and for so long and feel so much of my life slipped away.  I know that its my own bitterness and my own experience.  I know that the bind has helped others stick through and make it better but..
I will never waste my time being with someone out of obligation or allowing someone to hold on to me without earning it. 
The financial bind is still clawing at me even after his death and it hurts.  The shattered dreams hurt.
Even as an owned slut i can't understand the feeling of property ownership that comes with a marriage license.  The until death do you part whether i love you anymore or not.
"I will still hold on to you because you are my wife." 
"I don't want the stigma of divorce"
"I don't want to loose half my property because of divorce." 
"I'd leave my wife but, I don't want to leave my kids"
"We've put so much into this we ought to try and work it out"
Is that what you want to hear when you curl up with your lover at night?
 
I wish that marriage was completely unofficial; that the government had nothing to do with it.  That if you want your financial obligation then you need to form a separate financial partnership agreement. 
If you want to declare to the world your intention to love and devote yourselves to one another for the rest of your life - then just do it.  Throw a party and make your declaration.  If it doesn't work out - why the hell go on torturing each other and wasting precious years.  We only get older and find it harder to find someone else.
I believe in love and I believe in commitment and i even believe in monogomy.  But, government binding sucks. 
If I look at some relationships I know...(my bro for instance)
He treats his wife without respect.  He knows she won't ever leave because she's afraid to loose her daughter (she travels for work and he would do anything to keep custody).  Therefore he doesn't work to keep her happy.  He doesn't worry about her happiness.  He doesn't even seem to care anymore.
He would however be lost without her.  His confidence would be shattered.  He has never been so supported or loved (why? i don't know).
I picture how wonderful their life would be if he turned around once in a while and let her know that she is wanted and not just tolerated as the wife in the house.  The decision he made so long ago.  He keeps everyone wondering if he would make the same decision again.  aggggggh it pisses me off -can you tell.
 
My own husband would tell me he loved me, he wanted to make our marriage work.  He'd say the words I'd want to hear and then sit down, drink his Miller or Jack, watch his Nascar, and ignore me completely.  10 years of too much on his mind to worry about my needs.  10 years of "hey cut that out"
Fuck all that marriage shit - that's the bitter taste in my mouth.
 
I'll be Master's slut for as long as he wants me and no longer.
 
I don't believe you can get someone to start loving you again.  You'll only cause them more pain.  If they were to start loving you again wouldn't your rather they just came back to you of their own free will rather than some peice of legislation.  And if you didn't spend all that time fighting to hold on to something you had already lost, wouldn't it be less painful?  Wouldn't you be able to accept them back if you still wanted him?
 
I don't mean this to be hurtful to others.  I know some of my very dearest friends are dealing with marriage issues.  But, there's a difference between working together to solve a problem and staying together when love fades away.  I'm obviously (i hope) talking about the later.  And i've worn myself out so i guess my rant is over.  I need a good cry to morn the wasted years.
dls


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  • wishyouwerehere said on Apr 20, 2008....
    "And if you didn't spend all that time fighting to hold on to something you had already lost, wouldn't it be less painful?"
     
    Thanks for these words of wisdom.
     
    One thought I'll exchange for the valuable pearl you have given me ... maybe all that time wasn't wasted after all.  There are times I think I hung on way longer than I should have, but my own transformation took time. The hurts I've suffered helped guide me ... luckily, there wasn't any financial obligation or children to cloud the issue, just a tremendous broken heart.
     
    As for stigma ... I am learning that it is hard enough to live up to my own standards of what I'd like from my life.  I hope I'm done chasing someone else'es expectations.
     
    Nice to meet you - Wish
  • pusscat said on Apr 20, 2008....
    I agree with absolutely everything above DLS.  I think if there was no marriage as we know it today, and everyone lived within our lifestyle from the beginning, the world as a whole would be happier.  I know I would
  • DaddysLittleSlut said on Apr 20, 2008....
    Thanks Wish, you're right there's always something to be gained from our experiences and i really didn't waste any time crying today - i'm happy to report.
    And thanks for commenting - i get so much help from peoples comments.
    pc - its just not right is it?  Silly rules.
  • jezzabell said on Apr 20, 2008....
    I totally agree.
     
    I think that life partner is a binding as a bit of paper.
     
    I think it's a mindset. And that being someone's slave, is depending on the couple at least more meaningful than a ring, and a bit of paper.
     
    And as for staying in a relationship too long - We've all done that. I'm glad to see that you, as I have, have learnt that lesson!
     
    <3
     
    jezz
  • sweet_release said on Apr 20, 2008....
    I am sorry dls, unforunately i know how you feel from experience. i won't rant about it on your blog. Would like to add however, that what i have now is ten of what that marriage was. i am lucky to be truly appreciated as i am now. But i am still hell bitter. :-)  i don't think that goes away. 
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  • Sickman said on Apr 21, 2008....
    "I don't believe you can get someone to start loving you again.  You'll only cause them more pain."

    One of the things I am not proud of in my short existance was to try and do exactly that. Thankfully it only took a few months till I realised exactly what I was doing and why it was horribly horribly wrong.

    You're a wise girl hun.
  • Ownedgalbabs said on Apr 22, 2008....
    While all marriages and/or relationships do take some work, they shouldn't be so hard.  I was married to a man for 15 years before meeting Sir.  It was a really good and loving marriage and yes on occasion a problem or two arose.  He passed on after a lengthly illness in 2004 and you know once my grief had subsided enough I began to think of future relationships as being a source of enjoyment and not conflict. No not exactly Ward and June Cleaver...LOL ah our lifestyle pretty much guarantees that isn't possible, but at the same time? If it hurts more often than not and I don't mean from Master's paddles, floggers and whips....but emotional pain?  Get out as fast as you can because when your time comes? That's it....there is nothing that can prevent that.

    Now while I am not sure that heaven does or doesn't exist....think I will lean more towards "doesn't" and enjoy all this here and now life has to offer just to be safe!

    Great post,
    babs 
  • pusscat said on Apr 22, 2008....
    Beautifully put babs.  I ditto everything you just said there.
  • chizad40 said on Apr 27, 2008....
    I see what you're saying, but the fact is:  That little piece of paper is binding......... Marriage is a legal contract in this country, and no one forces anyone into it. As soon as you state your vows and are pronounced husband and wife, you have CHOSEN to enter into that contract. I think that marriage is waayy too "rushed in this country!" I say wait as long as it takes, even if it's 15 years until you know, you know w/o a doubt that you are truly in love....... It is so easy to "think" you are in love with someone, but unless you KNOW you are in love, your marriage is gauranteed to fail. If you are truly and completely in love with someone, you won't ever fall out of love...... Don't get me wrong, there will always be shit! Always be fights and disagreements, struggles and anger. As long as you are human, that is inevitable. However if you are in true, absolute love with someone, you will be always be able to work together and make it. I know it's cliche, but love really does conquer all. But only true love conquers. Love is something that can't be rushed. If you think, but don't know you're in love, why not wait until you know without a dout? I am not trying to put down or judge you, I apologize if that is how i've come across. I feel terrible what you've gone and are going through right now. I have seen sooo many friends, family and loved ones go through this same thing, and it breaks my heart everytime I hear about and see how awful marriage can turn out for so many; how it tears up lives......... I am no therapist trying to give advice. I am just a 24 year old, never married guy. I haven't never even been in love with someone. I want nothing more to have a wife and family! My parents were married at 21, and all too often I feel like I'm running out of time to start.Right now I love the most beautiful, amazing, strong girl. I know without a doubt that I love her, but I'm not in love yet.  The word "love" is thrown around so much that it has no meaning. It's just a word.......... I have not personly been "in love" with anyone, but I am beyond excited to get there, to find my ONE AND ONLY girl! ddaahh! I want it soooo bad!!! But even if I die before I find it, I cannot, will not enter into a legal,"binding" contract.               
  • DaddysLittleSlut said on Apr 27, 2008....
    Hi Chizad,
    You and you're comments are very welcome.  I love to be challenged and hope you will continue.
    I wish there were an easy answer especially when you want to start a family.  I think that is the main reason we married.  To grow up, start a family, begin our version of life on earth, that we might not make the mistakes of our parents.
    There was an interesting statistic in the paper the other morning.. since the 50's the number of marriages had roughly decreased in half, yet the number of divorces had only decreased by about 10 percent.  So, the chances of a successfuly marriage went from about 50 percent to about 25.  This is a rough estimate based on the bar chart I saw but, that tells me that in our society, marriage is failing.
    I can more easily understand the fundamentalist view that panics and wants to force law upon me to make it more difficult to divorce but, reality says that our society has changed and we must rethink marriage.
    We must start allowing people to define their own relationships and families.  We have stop expecting the government to shape society and allow society to find itself.
    This SoulCast forum seems provide that exploration.  People here define their relationships as they best fit and I've never seen or felt so much love, compassion, or community.  And yet, we have to remain annonymous for fear of family and societal retribution, financial loss, and legal ramifications.
    Marriage should be a natural part of life.  Not a contract with the government.
     
    Do you love the girl and you want her to be the mother of your children?   Does she want the same?  Are you both capable? What more do you really need to know?  If you're working together financially then have a financial contract, why does the government need to define this for you. 
    Why does marriage have to be a lifetime legal contract - insecurity, possession?
    Could you possibly know if you will be the same in 10 years?  Did you know who you were going to be now 10 years ago? 
    I would not want my life so predictable. 
    ONE AND ONLY girl - those words make me smile as I try to imagine who the first was and what life would be like if I was still with that first one. (are we talking sex or love?) And what of the husband (yes i was in-love truely madly deeply - he may have been in love with me as he said. I don't know how much was because of his alchoholism) - he's dead now so I'm not to ever love again? My one chance gone. One and only - how sad.
    Thankfully life is so rich and full of variety and we are able to love and be in love with many people over our lifetime.
    I'd rather my contracts of love didn't involve the government, my creditors, or my employers.  Health insurance is the one place where there could possibly be a benefit but that's another issue that has to change.
    dls
  • pusscat said on Apr 27, 2008....
    Chizad40 - hello there.  i was very surprised to read that you are only 24 and a guy to boot!  No offence meant but you have a very mature and sensible outlook that is so refreshing to see in someone young and male.  I would have guessed you were a 40+ female if I had just read your comment (gosh - hope that doesn't come across as patronising).  I totally agree with what you say too all except one minor little detail.  I agree that real true can conquer almost anything unless that something is one's own or partner's brain being ill.  When you are two people in love, married or not, your knowledge of the other person helps you to both go through the battles together with love and trust and come out the other side hopefully, in one piece but, when that person has become different, through no fault of their own, the strength that we pocess as humans, is not always strong enough.  We can love that person till the day we die but cannot always cope with who they have become.  I hope you do find the love you deserve as we all do and thank you for your comment here.
     
    pusscat
  • chizad40 said on Apr 28, 2008....
    Well DLS, I agree with you and the fact that many of the restrictions and laws in regards to marriage are unfair and hard to understand. My point is that they are laws and, we don't have the "legal" right to dis-obey them....... The problem is that there are sooo many things that  are "unfair" and  "should be", etc........... but think about it. If everything was left up to each person's own personal thoughts and opinions, this country would fall into absolute chaos. Because we are all so very different; without laws, unfair or not, there has to be some sort of order (laws/restrictions); everybody can't be happy, right? (If you and your husband have a joint bank account, who gets the money? If you have kids, who gets the kids, If you have a house, who gets that?) I think from seeing it so many times, that marriage and divorce can either be the greatest, most amazing thing you ever experience, but it can also be the worst, most awful thing.
    About my girl.......... I am not sure about those questions yet, If I answered those questions based on  how I feel today, I would say yes. However, I am not SURE!! It's gonna be hard, hard , hard! But I keep telling myself that I have to wait until I am absolutely positive!!
     
    And hey, It is sad that you lost your ONE and only, but be happy and keep on looking, your ONLY is still out there somewhere. It's never too late to start fresh!!!   
  • chizad40 said on Apr 28, 2008....
    oh hey DLS, as far as the sex or love thing.......... That is a tough one.  Sex is about the greatest thing in the world!! but is tricky because I think that sex can be so deceiving,  it can trick us so easily by turning crazy, fun and wild pleasure into "love everlasting" giving off the feeling of love. (but you sure as hell don't have to be in love to make love (I'm really not complaining about that because how would I live without the sex?) I hope that it will just get better and truly mean something when I know she's the ONE. mmm mmm, if it's gonna get better, I really can't wait!! hahaha 
  • DaddysLittleSlut said on Apr 28, 2008....
    Sorry Chizad its been my experience that it gets a whole lot worse...lol 
    No honestly great at first (~6 months) - like everything else is just a game in comparison but, that wears off and then its gone.  Its the rare couple who can sustain it.
  • pusscat said on Apr 28, 2008....
    Hello again DLS (thanks for your support lately but you know that anyway right :-)
     
    Wow -  I'd love to read a post by you chizad40.  Seriously, I find your views and comments really interesting and beautifully written.
     
    Now what's all this about DLS - I sense a little negativity here (said tongue in cheek)  I think it does depend on what you had or were looking for in the first place.  Take B and I for instance (not at the point we're are at the moment of course with his illness).  We hit a dead patch 4 years ago when money issues, work problems, family and ill health etc started crashing in on us but then, almost out of the blue last year, my submissive side decides to make 'her' presence known.  Not an easy journey by any standards I admit but we are now closer in friendship, love and sex than ever after 15 years!  I never had a big libido -  hey - sometimes I used to think I'd left it in a supermarket or something - but now. . . .well lets just say I get through more batteries now than i did as a child playing Skalextric ha ha!  I can talk about anything and I mean anything to B now as I feel closer to him.  I think the key componant was me becoming the real me.  It's not so much about being a rare couple as that couple being who they really should be and if they can't then, they will not last the full 12 rounds.
     
    I was only gonna put two penn'orth in, turned out to be about £5 worth ha ha (translation to non Brits awaitging if needed)
  • chizad40 said on Apr 28, 2008....
    Hi DLS I know what you are saying, and I apologize. After reading my last couple posts, I see that I'm coming across as if I know it all.......... I haven't experienced all of the stuff i'm preaching so I should really ease up. Everything I said today was my personal fantasy world, all that stuff is what I want..... sorry if I'm coming accross as the "expert," because I am far from knowing or even experiencing all of this shit your going through. I'm just spitting out my probably dillusional "perfect" future. The last thing I'm trying to do is judge you at all
  • DaddysLittleSlut said on Apr 29, 2008....
    well first and foremost I hate rules and will break them every chance I get. lol rules are made for people who can't think. Seriously. I don't believe that law keeps society from kaos. common beliefs keeps society from kaos if those are gone the law can't help. and unjust law must be challenged. as for who gets what when you split up - you wouldn't have a problem if you kept the money separate or you would enter a financial partnership where the terms were defined from the start. Finance can be treated rationally even in a marriage. but I believe it should be a separate issue. if you're buying a house together that's a legal contract. if you're pledging your love, that's a personal contract and the law should stay out of it. you see pc I'm not against the committment to each other just the court's involvement. Chizad it takes way more than stating your own opinion to offend me. if noone disagreed with me I'd never learn a thing. I honestly welcome your opinion. I hope my synical laughter doesn't offend you in return. I did start out by saying I was bitter on this subject didn't I. your romantic view is sweet. I just don't believe theirs only one true love. I believe I have had and will have many true loves in my life.
  • chizad40 said on Apr 29, 2008....
    I know so many laws suck hardcore! In some sense I agree with parts of what you're saying. The problem begins when you take away laws and leave everyone to rely soley on their own intuitions. There is no such thing as "common" interests in this country or any country in the world. Do you really think that hundreds and hundreds of millions of people will ever come to a "common" agreement about anything? It's not even a distant possibility. That is why we must have laws, to bring some order into this world. People are all so unique with a vast array of conflicting opinions; we all have such different up-bringings and life experiences. Everyone was taught and/or pressured to "believe" something so different than everyone else. This is why we will never be able to function as a civilized human race without laws that are enforced Without them, we would fall into complete chaos. Chaos is defined as::  a state of utter confusion; a total lack of organization or order.......
    There would be more conflict and disorder than you can even imagine if everyone was just left to do their own thing without any consequences.....  
  • pusscat said on Apr 29, 2008....
    I do understand your stance on the court's role within marriage and in an ideal world. . . .this is where the problems begin, it's not an ideal world.  The odd century ago there was hardly a law that contained more than a few sentences surrounding purchasing a house.  Then a question arose so more sentences were added.  Then one of those 'unforeseen' epidsodes happens and more sentences are added.  the thing is, there are so many 'unforeseens' that, even a couple wanting to part / divorce amicably may find themselves at logger-heads because their marriage isn't governed by law.  I know I could have had legal arrangements with money, bank accounts and the mortgage but there will always be unforeseens in this world. 
     
    I try to imagine if B and I had not married within the eys of the law.  We would have had so many legal arrangements covering our finances (as he was self-employed with accounts etc) then our home and our belongings, our cars and motorbike that solicitors would have eaten up a huge chunk of our savings and I would have felt like I was marrying a solicitor instead of B.  I don't see what advantage there is in having all the legal paraphenalia surrounding everything within the lives of two people but no certificate of law for an actual marriage.  The only difference is the set time that has to elapse in certain circumstances for a divorce to be finalised but, in some cases, it has given couples chance to think and they have halted procedings.  I really think it is the case of 6 to one and half a dozen to the other.
  • DaddysLittleSlut said on Apr 29, 2008....
    >>There is no such thing as "common" interests in this country or any country in the world. Do you really think that hundreds and hundreds of millions of people will ever come to a "common" agreement about anything? <<
    Yes we do have common interests.  Murder is bad, stealing is bad, rape is bad.   The reason we are having trouble with the chaos in the US is because our culture is not melting we are intolerant and separating.  The cultures & interests of all are not reflected in the law so therefore the laws are ignored.  If you look in other countries that have a more unified culture you won't see as much disrespect for the law.  I've talking to people from Slovakia, for one example, and found them to think of America as an extremely violent, immoral culture. They tell me how they have no religion, and very few laws to tell them how to behave toward each other; they treat each other with common sense and respect - he couldn't fathom the idea that we have a web site to show where all the child molester in your neighborhood lived.  "How could someone rape a child.  Wouldn't the people protect the children from that person?" he asked.
    In order for law to keep peace, you have to take away freedom.  I do not want to live in a police state.  I want to live in a society.  I want our laws to reflect the values of the people.  All of the people not just the upper classes who are afraid that the lower classes are going to hurt them or their property values.  I want to smoke a joint and ride a motorcycle in the desert without a helmet - in some states I could be sentenced to life in prison.  Does this really reflect the views of our society?  Is chaos really going to ensue?
    This isn't really that big of a turn from the marriage issue.  Its still about letting people live their lives as they define them whether its BDSM, polyamory, whatever, ... why does the government need to be involved in all our personal choices. 
    There's a trailer park my mom's friend lives at that says no more than two people to a bed at any time.  Do they really have a right to enforce that?
    People need to really think about the freedoms that they give up in the name of safety.
    It took alot of blood to create freedom and its going to take a hell of alot of hardship before anyone is willing to die to get those freedoms back.
     
    These are very frightening words to my friend...
    >>>will never be able to function as a civilized human race without laws that are enforced Without them, we would fall into complete chaos<<<
    marshal law isn't the answer... education, communication, and tolerance is the answer.
  • chizad40 said on Apr 29, 2008....
    Dls I 100% agree with you and your friend that there are so so many things and people in this country that are so dishonest and corrupt it makes me puke! However, It doesn't matter where you are; where there are humans, there s corruption. It is so easy to talk about how it "should be" and how intolerant and disresectful people can be here........ Trust me, I definately agree that ALOT of the laws here are pretty goddamn petty, many many many I disagree with too, but all and all, if you stop and truly think about it, they are really here to protect us. (most, but not all of them.) There HAS to be some control though! (laws) One example.....: In the Middle East there are no laws against abuse; the man has total control of everything.. If you are a woman there, you are lower than camel shit! No joke. A husband has every right to beat the fuck out of, even kill his wife, beat the shit out of his kids, etc........  With absoluely no consequences......... He doesn't even have to have a reason for what he has done. All of that, solely because he had a penis when he was born and there is a serious lack of neccesary laws. I  stayed up with my Syrian friend one time; (she moved to the U.S. about 3 years ago.) I spent the entire trying to console her. All night she balled and sobbed in my arms, just remembering the rod her dad beat her and her sisters with at least once a week. (of course her brothers sat outside with the men smoking cigars and telling jokes all while she and her sisters sat huddled together, scared for their lives in a corner.) She showed me the 1/2 inch deep scars all over her back; she even has little scars on her face. All of this because her dad has the "freedom" to do whatever the FUCK he feels with absolutely no remorse or accountability for his actions. That is just one example of a society without laws............ Now think about America without laws, America with that kind of awful, brutal "freedom." Think of how many more beaten bodies would be found dead all over the place....... There are way to many different people and beliefs her for tolerence, education and communication to work............ Most people are ignorant and there is no way that everyone is going to change the only thing they have known or been taught. Not to mention, there are nowhere near enough people to here to educate or communicate with everyone. There are by far more different nationalities and different beliefs in this country than anywhere else.... It goes back to the "my beliefs are RIGHT, you are WRONG! All of these tons of differences and lack of the willingness to compromise will lead to seious clonflict and chaos if there isn't some kind of order and accountabilty for negative, often deadly actions...... "common agreements" might be the best thing in a society where everyone has very similar beliefs; but there are sooooo many different beliefs here, it is not possible to come up with anything that ALL will agree with or that will make ALL content. We MUST have laws! Just think about how many problems we have even with the laws, now take them all away and think about how much worse it would be; it would be absolutely aweful and horrible and dangerous, don't you think????       
  • DaddysLittleSlut said on May 03, 2008....

    I think we essentially agree.  The laws must be the rules that make our society a safe place to live - We came together to define these laws.  Little by little, around our fire rings, we said, hey lets agree that this is my wife and you are going stop hitting on her, or its not fair that your bigger than me and your taking my stuff.  So we agree - we'll have some rules.

    Its when our society stops agreeing on the rules.  And statistically speaking, we don't agree on the rules of marriage any more.  By percentage almost half as many are marrying but, still half of those are divorcing.  That means marriage is only working for 25% as many as it was working for 30 years ago.

    So how do we get a rule change?  We talk about it again.  Which is what we're doing. Cool huh?  I think we need a separate love marriage and financial bind marriage. 

     

    Would the love marriage just come to mean nothing by comparison to the financial marriage?

  • T's_Pet said on May 09, 2008....
    I love this discussion.  I don't know any married couples who are happy.  So not only are there 50% of marriages ending in divorce, many people who DO stay together do so b/c of kids, money, family expectations, etc.
     
    I think when our society made the rule that marriage meant "until death do us part" that our life expectancy was more like 35 years, that that "life sentence" meant alot less than it does now.
     
    T's_Pet
  • TheNakedProfessor said on Jul 07, 2008....
    Agreed. Marriage should be a 5, 10 or 20 year contract that simply expires with a division of all mutually acquired things 50/50 at the end, easily renewable if both parties agree.

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