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An interesting article on how looks play out in a marriage.  It proposes that women who marry a man that is less attractive than themselves are more likely to have a stable happy marriage.  That there is a trade off of beauty of the wife's for being more supportive from the husband.
 
I find it a little disturbing.  In my idealistic mind I'd like to believe that ultimately it's what's on the inside that makes or breaks a marriage.  Then, I stop to wonder if my husband is more, same or less attractive than I am and how that bodes for our future.
 
I will agree that men are more visually oriented.  They look for a beautiful girl and then hope to find a pleasing personality for the most part.  Women, this article states, find height and income to be more of a priority than looks.  Income seems to make sense if they are looking for a mate to support any future children.  (though the height thing escapes me)
 
The article goes on to say that when a man is more attractive than his wife he is less supportive.  The wife, in turn, seems to mirror or match the level of the support she receives.  Ultimately neither of them receives the full potential support that they are capable of giving.
 
I'm sure there are exceptions to this rule.  There always are.  But ..........
 
1) Do you think these finding are true, or at least generally true?
 
2) Who in your relationship do you consider more attractive?


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  • Fallyn said on Apr 10, 2008....
    height for me is something......not a lot.....if he's the same height as me...all cool.....i've got some weird hangup though about guys that are shorter than me.
    a bit shorter probably wouldn't be a big deal.....but more than an inch and i start feeling like a circus freak.

    in my last relationship i would say i was more attractive by a long shot.
    people (rudely) would ask me all the time what i was doing with HIM.
  • uniquely-ironic said on Apr 10, 2008....
    Fallyn - I think a lot of women are height sensitive.  In the past I've ended relationships because the guy was too tall.
  • lfbno7 said on Apr 10, 2008....
    When I got married, in 1804, my wife was built like a skinny boy with big tits. She had no waist at all, but these big boobies.
  • Fallyn said on Apr 10, 2008....
    wow...i can't imagine a guy being too tall.
    but then...i'm almost 5'9.....so...

    iffy.....but does that determine how attractive she was?

  • uniquely-ironic said on Apr 10, 2008....
    Mr 7 - in 1804?!  Are you a vampire or something? (joking)  So you're saying you married up?
     
    Fallyn - I'm a little shorter at 5'6" and he was 6'5" and walking under an umbrella together, holding hands, dancing, etc was a lot of work.
     
    I think they were using facial attractiveness as the measurement, but then guys tend to become myopic when big boobs are present.
  • Fallyn said on Apr 10, 2008....
    very true. *laughing*

    well, to continue my point before....cause i forgot to.....i know my ex didn't respect me....and i don't think it had much to do with attractiveness.

  • uniquely-ironic said on Apr 10, 2008....
    Fallyn - well heck!  we know he was a fool for letting you get away!  For my part, I'm really not sure who of us is prettier.  Though there are days I suspect that Bill feels a little "prettier". ;)
  • Lucytorial said on Apr 10, 2008....
    hmmm certain aspects ring true unique.  The reason I say this is that a man in his psychological state will look for a women who is going to be the best mate for him physically.  Women do the same as well, its unconscious however because we have a higher brain / mind than animals, self awareness would suggest that we have far more spiritual choice in the matter.

    My hb is not as physically attractive as me, yet we have a very balanced relationship 13 yrs aint to bad.
  • wombat said on Apr 10, 2008....
    I couldn't find a tall rich man, so I settled for what I could get....ha.    Alot of that does make sense when you think about it, but I still believe it depends more on personalities as to how a marriage will turn out. I've dated men who were "too good loooking for me" and ones who were "not exactly winners in the looks departmnent. (back when I was better looking!)   I had better luck with the less attractive ones, I think.  My ex was good looking but treated me like dirt most of the time.  My current is "pretty" to me (and he gets mad when I say that!)  My looks are "going downhill" fast, and if my hubby is "ugly" in anyone's eyes, then I am catching up fast!
  • uniquely-ironic said on Apr 10, 2008....
    Lucy - I think it is an unconscious factor, but apparently the "pull" is still there.  Do you feel that you and the hubby are equally supportive?
     
    wombat - LOL! But relative to those around him, is he taller and richer or shorter and poorer?
  • Lucytorial said on Apr 10, 2008....
    Uniquely... err no actually, I'm the supporter he's the doer.  Sounds terrible but I'm not a leader, I'm not the dynamo in the relationship.  I'm the shadow that makes all the background stuff happen, the support, I don't get much in return on that level.
  • uniquely-ironic said on Apr 10, 2008....
    Lucy - that's curious.  Well, as I've come to understand things, as long as each side is happy with the way it comes down it's all good.
  • lfbno7 said on Apr 10, 2008....
    Yeah, she was a stick with boobs. Not exactly sure how that fits in with your post though.
  • Lucytorial said on Apr 10, 2008....
    I suppose, sometimes though it gets to me, thats the thing I have a wonderful life, a husband who adores and loves me but I am still the shadow, sometimes it would be nice if I could garner a little support for myself.
  • uniquely-ironic said on Apr 10, 2008....

    Mr 7 - you have yet to address what you thought of her face.  But, going on the assumption that big boobs and thin were your ideal of beauty, perhaps you were typical to what this study found.

    Lucy - It is nice to get "spotlight time" once in awhile.  I turn into a idiot when placed in front of more than two people for scrutiny.

  • lfbno7 said on Apr 10, 2008....
    Sexy body with no fat and big boobs. Like she was all tits, nothing else. Not classic beauty though. Just the girl next door. I didn't marry her for her looks. I married her because she roped me like a steer and married me.
  • wombat said on Apr 10, 2008....
    uniquely-ironic:  Truth be told--he is getting shorter and richer.....ha.
  • uniquely-ironic said on Apr 10, 2008....

    Mr7 - LOL My kind of gal!!  A keeper for sure.

    wombat - *giggles* oh my!  rich can compensate for a whole lot of height.

  • Lucytorial said on Apr 10, 2008....
    This is truly funny stuff! actually I keep him young, I make him look fucking great! the general convo's from men in town is that I am the sexiest married chick.. darn it!

    Then again, he has charm, witt and well he knows how to use it.. err when he eventually does!
  • uniquely-ironic said on Apr 10, 2008....
    Lucy - I agree.  He's a very lucky man to have such a pretty piece of arm candy!
  • skald said on Apr 10, 2008....
    A research that was made once up on a time and I heard of showed that usually people of the same degree of attractiveness, if I may name it so awkwardly, pair together. That is attractive or beautiful person with an other equally so and middle attractive with an other like that, ugly with ugly and of course this is not always the case but I tend to think that this is often so. 
  • Lucytorial said on Apr 10, 2008....
    I'm not just arm candy though, he couldn't marry anyone who didn't have half a brain. Thats where our balance lies really the fact I can mind tango with him like no other.  That and I don't want to change him.
  • uniquely-ironic said on Apr 10, 2008....
    skald - that would seem to make the most sense.  I'm always surprised when I see an oddly matched couple.
  • wombat said on Apr 10, 2008....
    uniquely-ironic:  Well shorter, for sure.  But "rich" isn't exactly accurate.  Just more well off as time goes by from how we started out.  But "rich" would be nice..... I did have the chance to marry a somewhat "wealthy" man once.  He offered me a car, a checking account and a honeymoon in the Bahamas if I would say yes.   I said no.  I wasn't in love with him and that was that.
  • uniquely-ironic said on Apr 10, 2008....
    wombat - Aim for rich!!! (or at least aspire to very comfortable) :)
  • mobil said on Apr 10, 2008....

    Naked or with our clothes on? Her with or without makeup? Me smiling or frowning, I look better when I smile. Middle of the day, before bed or just waking up? After sex? She has this glow after.

    You can't just ask opened ended questions like this Uni, more detail please.

  • Lucytorial said on Apr 10, 2008....
    Ohh did you realise that the male mind cannot fathom such intricate understandings???lol just kidding.

    Mobil... you make me laugh
  • satyr said on Apr 10, 2008....
    My wife is definitely more attractive.  It was her looks that first attracted me to her.  I could believe that she was attracted to me by my "income potential" (ha, ha, ha, fooled her).  One of our daughters is VERY height sensitive.  She likes 'em tall. 
     
  • gingersoul said on Apr 10, 2008....

    Satyr...lol...i like what you said...height sensitive...:-).

    Unique......i have been only once with a guy who was shorter than me.....but alas he was striking good looking and he played the guiitar like a god.....big bonus, let me tell you....lol.....

    All my men have been good looking...included my ex husband....

    He was always telling me that i had the beauty gene in our couple...and, beside his jealousy, he loved to show me off......we were a quite nice couple, indeed....

    I couldn't stand one relationship based only on the exterior but i couldn't also stay with a man who i wouldn't find sexy and intriguing ..there must be chemistry between us no matter the look......if you add also intellectual chemistry and romanticism......man, you got me tied hands and feet .....lol... 

  • queenparanoia said on Apr 11, 2008....
    i never have a boyfriend before and i'm still a virgin... so what i dunno...lol... =)
  • secretlife said on Apr 11, 2008....
    i'm not buying this at all unique-
    mainly because what one person views as attractive, another will often say- eh, he/she's not my type. 
     
    in terms of looks, i thought my husband was handsome-  he thought i was beautiful, and i guess that's all that really matters.
     
    i can't see the correlation between beauty on the part of the woman and supportiveness on the part of the man.
     
    of course my mother did always tell me that it's just as easy to love a rich man as a poor man.....
  • nytquill17 said on Apr 11, 2008....
    I liked this take on various marriage studies, including the attractiveness one you're talking about (it comes up in the last paragraphs).  :D
  • uniquely-ironic said on Apr 11, 2008....

    Lucy - I certainly didn't mean to imply that you are anything less than the smart cookie that you are.  You also have a wicked sense of humor.  Frankly, he hit the jackpot with you.

    mobil - the study had a group of strangers rate the attractiveness of the face.  I know that's not exactly specific but that's what I'm working with.

    satyr - so you would prove the study correct.  Is the daughter who is height sensitive on the taller side?  just curious.

    ginger - so you were attracted to handsome men.  With the exception of your ex, how did you find the level of support you received from them?

    queenie - it will happen.

    SL - There is a degree of subjectiveness to it, I agree.  But there are some people who if we compare them side by side we will agree that one is more handsome or beautiful than the other.  As for it being as easy to love a rich man as a poor one, I think that's crap.  Money may not determine if you love someone, but it sure doesn't hurt the situation.

    nytquill - LOL and yet there are still some men out there foolish enough to make that declaration.

  • Fallyn said on Apr 11, 2008....
    when i was working in the studio before i'd get a lot of couples in....and for the most part they were equally matched on looks and style...etc.
    it was pretty rare to find someone wholly attractive with someone not attractive ...and when this was the case it was generally the woman with a much less attractive man.

    the two most beautiful people i ever shot were both indian.
    a man and a woman.....separate times.
    the woman had just married.....and was very young.
    she didn't speak any english.
    she was dressed in traditional garb, this was YEARS ago and i still remember.
    light blue with silver embroidery.
    her husband was decidedly older and much MUCH less attractive.

    the other.....a young man just out of college.
    my god....he was PRETTY. ....but he was sending pictures back home so his mother could find him a wife.
    i had SO much fun photographing him. he was so so shy too.
    but we came up with six really good poses and he ended up buying the biggest package i had.
    all i could think was that all his mom had to do was show the photos to the parents of potential brides and he'd be snapped up just like that.
  • CreativeWoman said on Apr 11, 2008....
    I have always been self-conscious about my looks.  I suppose more so years ago than now.  At the time I was married, I felt he was the most attractive.  It turned out that he has a hard time being supportive of me emotionally.  He doesn't seem to understand a lot. Marital bliss has been elusive for me.  I think he just thought it was the time in his life to be married and I was handy.

    CW
  • uniquely-ironic said on Apr 11, 2008....

    Fallyn - what strikes me about your descriptions of them is that it was about their demeanor moreso than their physical attributes.  Beauty of spirit.

    CW - that would seem to jive with the study.  When men were more attractive (and I think you're a beautiful woman, so I'm having doubts here) they tended to give less support.  In turn, their wives tended to mirror the level of support, in some case giving less than full support.  In your case I dont see that happening.  I think your hubby is a fool to not see the good thing he has.

  • sexylatinagal said on Apr 11, 2008....
    i'm not married, but looking, and I always pay attention to the looks. I also like a man with a good build.
  • uniquely-ironic said on Apr 11, 2008....
    SLG - would you consider marrying a man less attractive than yourself?
  • Fallyn said on Apr 11, 2008....
    UI...that too....but physically they were both almost too beautiful to be human.
  • uniquely-ironic said on Apr 11, 2008....
    Fallyn - kind of takes your breath away, huh?
  • sexylatinagal said on Apr 11, 2008....
    yeah, if he had a good personality, and was truly a good person, but i don't even see that in the non-attractive males, all i see is they are all about self, and their "toys', meaning, cars, amps, and such.
  • uniquely-ironic said on Apr 11, 2008....
    SLG - the good news is that all you need is one good man :)  BTW, they really don't mature, their toys just get more expensive ;)
  • Fallyn said on Apr 11, 2008....
    oh, completley.....

    and i'm glad they don't completely mature.
    sometimes. *grin* othertimes? *gggrrrrr*

  • uniquely-ironic said on Apr 11, 2008....
    Fallyn - I have a feeling that's a completely different blog :)
  • Fallyn said on Apr 11, 2008....
    *GRIN* likely so.
  • Fallen_from_Grace said on Apr 11, 2008....
    I think that the looks thing makes sense because, if she is more attractive than he is, then he will feel lucky to have her and will do more to be supportive.  Also, if he's better looking and married, women (vixens) *will* hit on him and try to steal him away ... whereas if the wife is more attractive than the vixen is, then the vixen won't make a play for the guy.  So the wife's beauty scares off her competition.

    As for women...I think women are just as "shallow" about appearances as any man is - while they say that personality (and income) are important, if you're wealthy with a great personality, but unattractive/average - she isn't going to be interested in talking to you to find out that you have a geat personality and a 4000 s/f condo in Manhattan.  She will judge based on what you wear and drive...so if you're casual in attire and dont buy expensive cars (a depreciating asset)...she's gonna pass you right by.  We all know that any man wearing an Armani suit who gets out of a Rolls Royce automatically looks good - and will "get the girls" even if he's a jerk and borrowed every cent he could to pay for the car and suit.

    The height thing is funny - as they have also shown that a man's height correlates to his income (taller men make more money, and get promoted faster).  I think it has to do with a kind of "imposing, powerful" feel that goes along with being 6'4".  And women *love* a man with power.  Power = Money (Provide and Protect).

    In my last relationship, I was the better looking one (not to be vain) and was also the nice/supportive guy with a *great* income (again, not being vain here...just the facts).  And that ended badly...I mean severely sucky...
  • uniquely-ironic said on Apr 11, 2008....
    Fallen - I wonder if you were the exception.  Then I also consider whether or not some people consider themselves better looking than their spouses and in reality are not.  Creates a whole new dynamic to the relationship.
  • mobil said on Apr 11, 2008....
    Uni you should run for sc director of social and sexual activities, you know allot about this sex stuff. This is pretty deep stuff you brought up here, got me scratching my ass.....then I do that as a matter of course anyway......haha.
  • uniquely-ironic said on Apr 11, 2008....
    mobil - there's not enough money in the world to tempt me to assume such a job.  I know what I know from life experience and my own opinions.
  • Fallen_from_Grace said on Apr 11, 2008....
    Uni - I don't think I'm the exception, I think I prove the thing.
  • uniquely-ironic said on Apr 11, 2008....
    Fallen - in the end what you think is all that really matters, isnt it?
  • Fallen_from_Grace said on Apr 11, 2008....
    uni - I meant...I'm a man who married a less attractive woman, and things turned out VERY BADLY - which I think is what the article said would happen.

    and - yes - I agree that our reality is a reflection of our perceptions (and not the other way round).  So is you *think* you're a hottie and he's unattractive...you will behave as if that were objectively true.
  • satyr said on Apr 11, 2008....
    ui - actually that daughter is the shortest - between 5'5" and 5'6"
  • uniquely-ironic said on Apr 12, 2008....
    fallen - now I think the heart of the matter is exposed.  It's all in how you perceive you married. :)
     
    satyr - to be honest, I rarely dated men under 6 feet tall.
  • Fallen_from_Grace said on Apr 12, 2008....
    Uni - Not sure I understand what you mean.
  • silverwhisper said on Apr 15, 2008....
    1. i think it's nice to have a study to support "billy joel/christie brinkley" syndrome but no i don't think i've really noticed it much myself outside of celebrities.

    2. she's definitely the better looking one of us. :>

    ed
  • uniquely-ironic said on Apr 15, 2008....

    Fallen - heart of the matter = our perception of who's more beautiful

    SW - I find it odd that you haven't run across examples of it in RL.  I certainly have.  As for the Mrs., you lucky man!!!  I'm sure she feels like she got the right man from what I've heard about your relationship.

  • Fallen_from_Grace said on Apr 15, 2008....
    Uni - I will agree to an extent that this is a personal matter.  I say "to an extent" because, although people may disagree as to exactly where they might fall on a 1-10 scale of looks, nobody thinks they are a 9 while the rest of the world sees them as a 3.  It may be possible to think you're an 8 when others think you're a 7 (or a 9)...but if you are physically unattractive - you know you're not super-model material.

    I also think that a certain degree of "self-worth" comes into play here as well.  There are people who are physically attractive and see this as their only positive attribute.  They don't like themselves much and don't feel they deserve anyone who is "good".  So they get involved with someone shallow who is just into them for their looks - and then they get dumped (just like they expected and deserve).  These people feel that they don't deserve a happy long-lasting relationship - because their only positive attribute (in their eyes) is their looks.  Similarly I have seen people who are physically unimpressive - but they emanate a certain confidence which comes from self-esteem.  These people seem to date "above" what one would expect their appearance would allow - because they perceive themselves as "worthy" of that kind of person.

    Does that make sense???
  • uniquely-ironic said on Apr 15, 2008....
    fallen - totally.  I know people who after months or years of knowing them I will suddenly look at them with "fresh eyes" and see that objectively they are no where near as attractive as I remember them being.  In these cases it's almost always because their personality is so striking that their physical looks seem irrelevant.

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