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This is an article from the Jerusalem Post about how the BBC created its own news. Inaccuracy of this sort from a major news source is not accidental.
 
Here is the link:http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1205420751207&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter
 
 
 
Here is part of the article:
The BBC has apologized for significant errors in two recent news reports on Israel.
In a news item on March 7, following the Mercaz Harav Yeshiva attack, the BBC showed a bulldozer demolishing a house, while correspondent Nick Miles told viewers: "Hours after the attack, Israeli bulldozers destroyed his family home. Later, mourners set up Hamas and Islamic Jihad banners nearby."
The house, however, was not demolished; the BBC was embarrassed when news reports from other broadcasters showed the east Jerusalem home intact and the family commemorating their son's actions.
Last week, the BBC apologized live on its news program, admitting it had used footage of another house being demolished.
News anchor Geeta Guru-Murthy said: "Now, we would like to clarify a report we heard at this hour last Friday about the attack by a Palestinian gunman on a Jewish seminary in Jerusalem. In the report, the day after the attack, BBC World said that the gunman's home in east Jerusalem had been demolished by the Israeli authorities. That was not correct, and the images broadcast were of another demolition."
 
In a second incident, in a news item entitled "Israel jets strike northern Gaza" on March 14 on their News Web site, the BBC reported that Israel was deliberately targeting civilians in an operation targeting Kassam rocket launch sites in Gaza, and claiming that the United Nations secretary-general had described it as an attack on civilians.
"The Israeli air force said it was targeting a rocket firing team... UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has condemned Israel's attacks on Palestinian civilians, calling them inappropriate and disproportionate," the report said.
In a letter to the BBC, Manchester Jewish community member Jonathan Hantman wrote,
"It is one-sided for the report to describe Israel's operations as 'attacks on civilians' while not describing the Palestinian rocket attacks, to which Israel was responding, as 'attacks on civilians' or 'acts of terrorism.'"
 
"Ban's statement, made some two weeks ago, did not refer to yesterday's attack and did not describe Israel's operations on Gaza as 'attacks on civilians,'" Hantman noted. "He did, however, describe Palestinian rocket attacks as 'acts of terrorism.'"
 
We accept we should have made reference to what [Ban] said about Palestinian rocket attacks as well as to the 'excessive use of force' by Israel. We have amended the report, also removing the reference to Israeli 'attacks on civilians.'"
This is just the tip of the iceberg. The BBC has consistently distorated news regarding Israel. French 2 was caught in the act of faking news during the Lebanon war. Even a certain American reporter was caught many years ago faking a report.  So when you quote all sort of sources about Israel doing such and such you may be just a patsy for your sources.


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  • pickersplock said on Mar 23, 2008....
    Wow, that's scary.
  • Trinov said on Mar 23, 2008....
    Hi, this happens at least once a week at one level of inaccuracy or another. It makes me crazy.

    This type of faked news is used against the US by various third world countries, but England, no matter how much she has fallen, is not a third world country. England and France started the whole business of accurate news reporting, in my memories anyway. So when they do this type of thing it is much worse than if some third world country does it.

    So if they don't fear to make up their own news, which is instantly checkable, how much more so do they feel free to make up their own version of history? The Arabs do it all the time, the Russians do and did it, what can I say? I try to be as accurate as possible, but that seems to be a trait that has gone out of fashion, like pink lipstick and mini-skirts.
  • andora said on Mar 23, 2008....
    The Brits and Belgians faked news reports that eventually drug the US into WWI. Thank Goodness that the internet is changing the world view, yes it is full of disinformation and pornography, but those who do want the truth can get much closer to reality on the ground if they want to. We will come much further than our forefathers in creating peace and stability because of the WWWeb. If it weren't for the web the BBC would have gotten away with misinformation.

    Israel was created by the same banking cartels that are fomenting the war on terror, drugs etc...

    we would do well to go into an isolationist period and re-think our foreign policy. As a registered Independent since '76 Ron Paul would be the only Republican that would get my vote for this very reason. Kucinich and Paul would be the dream team that would end the stupid stupid war between red and blu in the US
  • Trinov said on Mar 23, 2008....
    Hello; Israel was created by the Creator, about three thousand plus years ago, and its people have been twice exiled, but never totally.

    Many cities and towns and villages managed to survive the Romans, the Persians, the Byzantines, the Crusaders, the Turks, the British (who love the Arabs and hate the Jews, unless they can marry an heiress or entice a bright Jewish boy to leave his parents and family and marry one of their pretty girls (see Agatha Christi Dorothy Sayers and other fictionwriters of the 1930's about this phenomenum, which was represented in their stories as something normal).

    andora> I used to argue on the left---with lots of dogmatic brainwashed people like you, you have a bit of the truth, but a bit of the truth does not mean more than that. Yes there are money cartels out there, but they were not the ones interested in a Jewish state baby girl!!!!!!!!!! What can I say, I have given up talking to walls, and you are probably psychologically reassured by your vision of the world. It makes your comfortably self righteous. Maybe you'll say the same about me, but honey, I've been reading my head off since I was 8 years old, and listening and watching and I've come out of the left and now am neither right nor left, just very very conscious of what is going on--and I'm going on 63 this year.

    Yes you can learn a lot from the internet, but it is also a source of uncensored crap. Someone said it is the modern tree of good and evil, and the choice is ours. We can use our minds and step out of the propoganda around us, or we can go with the flow. I was called a fascist so many times by leftists stuck in their silly goo of a world view, and called names by other sides also. Fuck'em. If you want to know the truth, then get out of the grip of your one-sided websites and try to make a survey of what everyside is saying. Use your brain to analyse, that is what it was created for, not to parot other peoples lines.
  • andora said on Mar 23, 2008....
    right on trinov...good advice! Which is why I flew to Israel in November of '06 just weeks after the war between Lebanon and Israel. And strange as it may seem, I believe that Israel has a right to defend herself...and, I know her history more than I would like to admit, given that I love many Israeli's. I painfully understand the double-edged sword both sides are dealing with there.

    Not only did you take my words out of context, but you made assumptions about my world view that are totally bogus.

    I hitched from one end of the country to the next, spoke with every type of Israelite, went to the Jordan College and spoke with Arabs and Jews. Got smuggled into the Palestinian West Bank and shared meals with Palestinians and then met with United Nations officials. I saw the state of the Palestinians and Israelites: they are both suffering. If you have seen these things first hand, I would be more interested in your opinion, which seems to be gleaned from second-hand info.

    All the propaganda about bringing freedom to the wretched in the Middle East is your line of hype that has no bearing on reality. it seems that your incessant proclivity for education is all about you being "right". Anyone can taylor-fit reality to help themselves to look smart or right, and it looks like you are well studied on this.

    I do not follow "white-wash' accounts of history as you seem to like skimming through. Your ideas about military honor are about to go extinct. God did not contrive nationalism, the Jews were manipulated by the United Nations and the West...they have been an unfortunate pawn of Arms Cartels and Oil Barons. And yes, Americans are easily manipulated in the name of freedom and democracy. But, while you were blowing smoke up people's asses our democracy was sold out to Diebold. yes, you and I should not continue to talk politics there is no shred of respect in my heart for you.


  • andora said on Mar 23, 2008....
    trinov, seem's I mixed up your post with someone else when it comes to military honor, if so, i apologize.


  • andora said on Mar 23, 2008....
    The US and the rest of the developed nations are no saints when it comes to honest reporting. To suggest this is a very slanted opinion. Imperialism may be a worn out and old-fashioned issue, but it has committed genocide in the name of democracy, freedom, education, civilization etc...history is full of powerful organizations doing harm in the name of idealism. In saying this, I do not wish to ignore the inhumanity being committed in every direction for reasons I have gone beyond politics to understand. Nationalism is just another illusion, and when you drag God into this hype you get pretty scarey indeed! 
  • Trinov said on Mar 23, 2008....
    Here is an article from a Turkish newspaper, translated into Hebrew and now into English. The reporter is Egyptian.

    Turkish Daily News
    לשלב את ישראל לתוך המזרח התיכון מצרי פרקי

    שלום אמיתי ובר קיימא יגיע רק כאשר שכנותיה של ישראל יכירו בכך שהעם היהודי יושב בישראל בזכות, ולא רק מכוח הנסיבות. המדינה היהודית אינה פולשת זרה למזרח התיכון. היא מהווה שלוחה ונציגה של אחת התרבויות העתיקות ביותר בחלק זה מהעולם. הכול מקשר את ישראל לאזור: גיאוגרפיה, היסטוריה, תרבות אך גם הדת והשפה. הדת היהודית משמשת כתימוכין התיאולוגי הבסיסי של האיסלאם והנצרות המזרחית. עברית וערבית קרובות זו לזו כמו שתי שפות ממוצא לטיני.

    המחבר הוא כתב מצרי.


    Here is an English translation of a Hebrew translation of a Turkish article :
    "To intergrate Israel into the Middle East

    True and lasting peace will come only when the neighbors of Israel will recognise that the Jewish people sit in Israel by right, an not only by force of circumstance. . The Jewish State is not a foreign invader to the Middle East. It is a branch and a representative of one of the most ancient cultures in this part of the world. Everything connects Israel to the area: geography, history, culture and even the religion and the language. The Jewish religion is used as a theological support and basis of Islam and Eastern Christianity. Hebrew and Arabic are as close to each other as two languages of Latin origin {are to each other}. The auther is an Egyptian reporter."

    Now and then there are Arab reportor and intellectuals who don't just vomit out the line of their countries, but put their lives on the line to say some important truth. It is damn dangerous for them to say the truth, and too damned easy for Americans and British to sit in their armchairs and lie.
  • Trinov said on Mar 23, 2008....
    I live here little girl, through the wars, carried a machine gun, but helped some Arab girls with gleaning the fallen apples from our fields. I know what I am talking about, I am not a dilitant like you, who takes a short tour and thinks that she is gleaning all the truth from a few conversations.

    < It would be a long long way to go before I could take you seriously, child. You take yourself too damn seriously, like so many of the college students today, so arrogant, so sure of themselves. At your age I was open to the world, and over the years I've read much history, newspapers, etc. And I have lived here and experienced this country, so don't think I could regard you as a source of anything but youthful arrogance and ignorance.

    Next time little dillitant, take a trip to Saudi Arabia, and see how the masses live there, or the poor sections of Egypt, or ask why in Iran two little children were just pardoned for the Spring Holiday (fire worship) --what was their crime?, being born out of wedlock. Or why a woman in Suadi Arabia is going to be stoned to death for witchcraft after 'signing' a confession she cannot even read.

    No little baby girl, you hear what the hell you want to hear and see what the hell you want to see. It's like all those kids who do 'research' with a sample of ten friends and then hand in a paper with world shaking conclusions and expect the rest of us to bow down in respect. If you want to learn, keep your mouth in gear and your ears and eyes open, and let some facts get into your brain and then use it quietly by comparing and analysing and then let it sit a while before you spout your great experience and knowledge.
  • curmudgeon said on Mar 24, 2008....
    That the BBC would do this is really unsurprising. For all of their pretense of objectivity, they're as biased as NPR. Journalists will make up all kinds of lies if the truth gets in the way of a good story.
     
    What I don't understand is why we as taxpayers are forced to fund not only NPR, but also BBC indirectly, because NPR buys their news programming. If people want NPR-style or BBC programming, they should auction off the government spectrum and let it be entirely advertiser and donation supported. Why force me to fund some other person's propaganda?
     
    Ron Paul and Kucinich? Dream team? What a joke. Lairel and Hardy would make better leaders. Siskel and Ebert would be better, and Ebert's dead. Heck, Fred Flinstone and Barney Rubble would be better than those two idiots.
     
    The plain reality is that we cannot retreat into isolationism. The world is far too interconnected and interdependent at this point to break away from it. What would that entail, anyway? No immigration of any kind? No travel for Americans in or out of the country? How about no communications between the US and the world? How about a halt to international banking? Or a halt to foreign aid, including? Or a halt to all imports and exports? All of these things have foreign policy implications.
     
    If we are to rethink our foreign policy, we need to do it while maintaining our engagement with the world. If this kind of isolationism is what Paul and Kucinich are after, they mean to promote far more suffering and conflict in the world than their proposals could possibly alleviate.
  • Trinov said on Mar 24, 2008....
    Hi to curmudgeon thank you for your intelligent informed comment!

    Here is part of an article from Debkafile, the English translation on their English page of one of the main stories running today:

    Syria masses three army divisions on Lebanese border

    March 23, 2008, 7:56 PM (GMT+02:00)

    DEBKAfile’s military sources report that the Syrian deployment is backed by the concentration of pro-Syrian Palestinian factions in the Beqaa valley of Lebanon, amid rising war tensions between Hizballah and Israel.

    Hassan Nasrallah declared Hizballah would wage “open war” with Israel at the end of the 40-day mourning period the group observed for Imad Mughniyeh who was killed in Damascus February 12. His deputy has maintained that Hizballah had “100 percent solid evidence" that Israel had killed Mughniyeh, which Israel has consistently denied.

    Monday, March 24, Nasrallah will address a big memorial rally in South Beirut. The Israeli army is on high alert for a possible Hizballah attack from Lebanon.

    This is the Israeli reality, the Jewish reality. We live with it, some of us work hard at denying it, but this is where it is at right now. So if I tell you that George Bushes road map is toilet paper, and that it is based on no-thinking, no knowledge of history, of geography or anything in this world, maybe you can be able able to understand when the next round breaks out.

    We have one damn good army, but our cowards in the government have not let the army do what it needs to do.

  • andora said on Mar 24, 2008....
    I'm not sure if you read my words or just put your bias in between the lines. I am not a babygirl and resent that ploy as you talk at me! I am a grandmother, I love an Israeli who is and has been with the Mossad, I have been watching, learning and studying these issues my entire life. I understand the genocide against indigenous people everywhere, as a Native American I can map the patterns that puts indigenous peoples into concentration camps, confiscating their lands. hell, even now, the so-called 'green movement' has Imperialist nations taking land all around the world in the name of environmentalism. In the past, it was done in the name of Christianity. Resource extraction practices KILLED the rivers in my home state. I met Palestinians who were born 30 minutes from the Sea, but have never seen it! You just belch out the "party-line" spin of corruption. Study something other than 'white-wash' history old-man!!!!!!!!!! you are working overtime to justify injustice. I love Israeli's and wonder why such an intelligent group would dump their sewage into Galilee (their water source)! In pointing out the DOUBLE-EDGED sword in Israel does not, by any stretch of the imagination, mean that I support either side in this conflict. I hate the injustice in Arab societies just as much as I hate the injustice in American society. I am simply looking openly at both sides, and you are only invested in being "RIGHT" for holding unjust bigoted and slanted perspectives. To me, this is not about 'right or wrong', it is about the truth. I know about concentration camps and I saw one on the West Bank...and I feel that the assholes in Gaza should get their asses kicked for rocket attacks. But you, you are not interested in understanding the truth, you are only looking to take sides in a problem that has its roots in ancient history. I hate the Iranian support of extremism and I hate the hypocrisy of the US in adopting torture tactics as they claim to be fighting for democracy, freedom and human rights. unlike you two old-men!!!!! I'm not actually taking sides. go figure. If you had an open heart, I would explain the spiritual precedents that keep war raging upon the planet. But why bother offering life to death? And, I will not allow you to misrepresent my pov.
  • Trinov said on Mar 24, 2008....
    HI, One of the reasons that the BBC and CNN and others feel free to not report news, not report all the news, or to distort or slant news, is : that Americans especially, and Britains also, no longer have all that many news sources to relay on, and the general population can't tell a feature story, ie a human interest story from a news story.

    The numbers of news papers and the quality of news papers has declined seriously in the last 30 to 40 years --go back to the archives of the NY Times or The London Times or other newspapers --I'm not talking about Tabloids which seem to me to even improved a touch--but the respectable press. Take a look a the Front Page in 1941, in 1951, in 1961, etc and see what you can summarize as happened. Don't take my word for it, some of this is available on line now.

    The short wave used to be the way many of us non-believers in the establishment or other lines would get our news. We listened to as many broadcasts from as many places as we could get and correlated the info in our minds. Now there is not all that much that we can pick up here easily anymore on the shortwave.

    However, there is the internet and the internet can be a wonderful tool if we are careful to take it with lots of grains of salt. We can go into the English or other papers of various countries around the world and pick up what is going on, what is not being reported whereever we are, and that is a hell of a lot.

    First of all most local news is just that, local. Sectional news is sectional, and National News, well, can it be called that anymore? How much more coverage does Britney Spears get than what is happening to the soldiers of your country? what is happening in the streets of your country, in the banks, on the farms and the state of the harvests, the availability of water, of good seeds, loans, taxes etc, on the seas of your merchent marines, about the latest and greatest scientific or health based discoveries and how and/ or if they will be persued, about the veterans and their needs, about education, job training, jobs, salaries, the people being laid off, etc etc.

    So if you are not getting so much national news about your own country, then how much are you getting about other countries? Zilch is more likely the best definition.

    America has an agenda: how to keep its oil resources safe, that's a legitimate agenda, (and there are all sorts of illegetimate agendas under the tabel too). Being friendly with the Arab Wealth is a major American policy. Israel is an embrassment. But Israel is handy for docking the Navy and repairs, Israel is handy for doing the espionage and the dirty work for the US also, as it was a Junior partner with England in the Suez Canal crisis in the 1950's. And it if it were destroyed (G-d forbid, and He will forbid it, don't get me wrong) it would unbalance the power in the region and the G-d fearing Christians would for the most part not be happy with the party that allowed this. So American is willing for a weak dependent Isreal to exist, but just barely.

    America did not want Isreal to finish creating one of its jet planes. Israel somehow agreed to this. America did not want Israel to have access to a certain computer--Israel built a better one. America did not want to give Israel access to satillite data, Israel put up and is still putting up, either alone or with help from other countries, more and more sophisticated spy satillites. Why would America want to prevent an 'ally' and sometimes an espionage partner, not to have those things. Answer for yourselves.

    So if you are interested, and if you are the one in a thousand who has actually read this to the end here is the link to Debkafile in English, which has most, not all but most, of what is published in Hebrew. It is very good stuff, which you won't hear about from other sources, or will only hear about it when it is a fait accompli.

    http://www.debka.com/


    and here is a part of one of their current article:

    Barak: Israel’s army and intelligence poised for instant response to Hizballah attack

    March 24, 2008, 1:42 PM (GMT+02:00)

    DEBKAfile’s military sources report that Israeli defense minister Ehud Barak decided to place the armed forces on guard in view of indications that Hizballah leader Hassan Nasrallah may seriously intend making good on his threat of “open war” against Israel, whom he accuses of the Feb. 12 killing of Imad Mughniyeh.

    The Israeli Air Force, according to our sources, has prepared two command and control airplanes which are capable of carrying command centers and special forces from place to place and reacting to terrorist attacks in places far from Israel. More...

    go to link above
  • skald said on Mar 24, 2008....
    Trinov. I am reading you and reading the comments. I can not say much on this subject, only that I am not surprised that the BBC did that. I´m just letting you know that I read this. Luv J 
  • Trinov said on Mar 24, 2008....
    Hi, Skald. Good to see you here.

    to andora Let me give you a few definiitions, a concentration camp was a death camp, people were starved and worked to a state of skin and bones and mental nonfunctioning and then they were put into concrete boxes where Cyclone B gas was put in and they choked to death in their own spit, shit and piss and then 'buried' in mass graves after their teeth and hair and sometimes their skin was harvested.

    There are no 'concentration camps' on the west bank or Gaza. Let's get this straight. It is sad for me to realize that you are not that young, for you are that ignorant!!!!!!!!!!!The Arabs warned their people to leave Israel so that they could murder all the Jews without confusion, for Jews and Arabs don't look so different that you can tell us apart without a uniform. Then the Jordanians and the Egyptians etc used these people as tools to forment anti Israeli sentiment, while Israel took in 600,000 refugees who had been actually thrown out of their countries because of Israeli independence, and many of these people had been living in these areas 600 to 700 years before the Arabs got there. And many of the Arab poor who never stepped foot in this area got on those refugee UN rolls. In the 1970's the Israelis started building a city for the Arab refugees in Gaza and they refused to move. Stick that in your self-righteous little head.

    Now I am familiar about the genocide that was orchestrated against Native Americans, I did some research on that years ago. It was genocide, just as the Turks committed genocide against the Armenians and the Syriac Christians after WWI. The Americans slaughtered the millions of buffalo to starve the 'indians', they broke treaty after treaty, they made sure that Native Americans got certain diseases, they destroyed the evidence of the origins of many of the tribes (see Barry Fell) etc. My father's two best buddies were Native Americans, (in whole or in part) and my brother's good friend and sometimes roommate is half Indian, half Jew, so I have a sensitivity to your feelings. But it is stupid, ignorant and a damn lie to project the American attitude and doings toward Native Americans on the Israelis. You have swallowed a line and it is as if you are caught on a hook.

    I don't give a damn about how many mossadniks you've been in bed with, that does not make you cogniscent of the truth or give you any brownie points with me. And G-d does belong in this discussion, honey. This land is given to the Jews, just as Saudi Arabia was given to the Arabs and they were allowed to conquer all of North Africa and a good deal of Asia. (A Saudi recently wrote that his country was wrong in keeping other Arabs poor in refugee camps to be their pawns, they should have acted morally and did what Israel did with the Jewish refugees. This was in the news. I hope the guy is still alive.)

    So if you want to say refugee camps, say it. But if you say concentration camps than I wonder how many other lies you carry. It would be best for you not to say anything that to get yourself Karmically involved here. Your peoples were given prophesies about how the 'white man' would come and destroy most of what you had and how sometime in the future it would be good for you again. Native Americans have their own channel for prophesy from the Creator, (whom it is translated that) you call the Great Spirit. I have a wonderful transcription of a Seneca Chief three hundred years ago telling a missionary "You have three gods, we only have One" and other things he said were so so like what the Baal Shem Tov was teaching at the time that it made my skin have goose bumps.

    Your people and your background do have a lot to teach the rest of the world about conservation and the love of natural things. Yes, in Israel we have a lot of jerks with businesses who screw up the ecology,--but we also have many many organizations and people all around the country fighting them, (including the army at times for they are involved in Haganah HaTeva (the Nature Protection Society) and they once even organized a demonstration against some ecological crime. So please realize that your experience here was a very short run and you certainly did not experience everthing, that would be impossible, RIGHT? and you can't speak Hebrew - just like I can't speak Lakota or any other native American language (and I once planned to learn Lakota by the way).

    Jews also tend to side with the downtrodden, and sometimes get carried away with their feelings of commiseration to the point of death. Jews with Arab friends or business partners and who go visting in the Jehuda or Shomron, (the West Bank) are often murdered, sometimes even by their friends. A girl with an Arab lover was raped, murdered, cut apart and burnt--by her lover and his friends five years ago, for example. Then there are times that Arabs have saved Jews who wondered into the wrong village, this happens too. There were Arabs who saved their Jewish neighbors in Chevron in the riots of the 1920's. (I don't remember any who did that in Tzfat, just the opposite.)

    We have a long and complex history here. I don't know if there are any here who are in any way related to the Caananite tribes, there were so many other conquerers and most of the population, Jew and Caananite were exiled in the First Temple period and at the end of the First Temple Period. (From my research I believe some Caanaites, just as did millions of Jews-ended up in India of all places--some of the Indian Jews are now back here in Israel, others are beginning to come back) peoples were then settled here from Asian areas, but most of the land stood barren, and then some of the children of Israel came back to settle this area again, and when the Greeks came and conquered and settled here with Alexander the Great they built cities here: Banias was one, it was Panias but there is no P in Arabic.

    We Jews stuck it out under the Greeks, (read the Maccabies), then we lost to the Romans and millions were murdered and millions were exiled but still many cities and towns survived, some to this day, and others for the greater or lesser part of the middle ages and/or into modern times. So we have always been here in some numbers, this our land, given to us by the Creator, that is the whole story.

    < The Arabs were given a thousand years residence here more or less, from about 700 on because our mutual father Avraham said "Let Yismael live before You", and he was a righteous man and his prayer was answered in this way. However, not Yishmael but Yitzchak, and not Esav but Yaakov is the heir of Avraham spirtually, and in this piece of 'real estate' which is our Real Estate to make a pun.

    So, just as I once argued with a black American -- ie. your people have suffered so much, you have a strong faith in G-d, why mess up your Karma by getting yourself involved in anti-semitism? It's not your problem, and can only eventually bring you grief.

    The same I say to you, --get involved in the re-birth of your own people, use your energies for that, don't give your automatic sympathies to others who just don't fit the picture you have conjured up for them.

    (Israelis brought sun-light electrical systems to reservations in the south west, ever heard of that? and Amerindians guarded and kept up an abandoned Jewish cemetary in a small western town, "for our brothers the Jews", was what they said when asked why they bothered. )
  • andora said on Mar 24, 2008....
    I'm not saying that the concentration camps I saw in Palestine are the same as the Nazi's, more like Indian reservations in the US, and, in the Gaza strip their electricity, water and employment are manipulated from the outside. i know first hand of jewish developers that hired Palestinians and when it came time to pay them turned them in for bogus charges and were able to secure slave labor as a result. I went cross-eyed when I tried to read your rant because you are still taking sides, which I am not. you are having a conversation with someone in your head. Slanting my meaning and mincing words when I am having a very different conversation here. Once again, I understand the plight of both sides of this conflict, when you are just interested in being right for being bigotted. I find the whole thing to be a spiritual issue that is founded in electromagnetic principles...read www.pangasm.org if you are even interested in my pov. But I can tell by your misrepresentation of my meaning that you do not have any interest in getting below the surface of racial and religious bigotry. We are all responsible, I am not pointing fingers. although it is pretty easy to hate people like you. Maybe you are stuck in post traumatic stress disorder, which is what I witnessed about the general population when in the MidEast. sorry for you and all of the folks in the Middle East, happy as hell I don't live there. aloha.
  • Trinov said on Mar 24, 2008....
    If you use concentration camp again, you will get deleted, andora. If they were in concentration camps they would have been very dead, and not alive and having children and going to elementary school, high school and college (Like Bir Zayit). How long was your trip any way? a month, two months, two whole weeks?

    I can see that you are stuck in your thing, and I am a Jew trying to live in my land. We have given in as much as we can, and honey, a real mossadnik is not that likely to tell you who he is. It must be a good line, though.

    And I'm an old woman, and proud of it.

    What can I say, I'll try to put the facts out as much as I can, for this is a test, but not silly lady 'an electromagnetic one'.
  • Trinov said on Mar 24, 2008....
    Oh does anyone know why this blog is stuck in bold? I tried the html unbold sign but it does not work.
  • Trinov said on Mar 24, 2008....
    Oh and just one more thing, the use of words is not just a "whatever" thing. Countries have laws about misuse of terms, especially provocatiove ones. The latest agit prop is calling Jews "nazis" or 'just like the Nazis" and calling a refugee camp set up by the Jordanians a 'concentration camp' set up by Jews. That 'whatever' is for me a very dangerous way of falling into error. As a teacher I never let a student use that phrase. Proper definitions are the tools of the brain, for they provide the boundaries between one thing and another entirely different thing.

    I do not have the privilege of being objective. I am a Jew living in my land, and I and others like me will fight to the death before we allow anyone to take our land. Get that into your heads out there. If you want to hate me little lady, go right ahead. I am beyond hate, just so tired of lies. But this time, call it Arbeit Mach Frie or call it a Road Map, I don't buy it. And I don't buy all this crap about how you are so beyond everything, way up there in the electromagnetic sphere. Enjoy yourself up there in the stratisphere, I'm here on the ground. And there is a G-d, the Creator of the Universe, and He is involved in history, and there is right and wrong, not just lightwaves.
  • andora said on Mar 25, 2008....
    btw...as a non-jew, I and many other non-jews get treated, for the most part, like we are stupid monkeys that should convert to judaism....one of the many, many reasons I fucking HATE religion. Get off your fucking highhorse and smell the bigotry that most all religionists prescribe to.
  • Trinov said on Mar 25, 2008....
    Hi, This article, which you would think is important news, is not on the BBC or CNN:
    audi King says he'll convene interfaith conference with JewsJPost.com Staff , THE JERUSALEM POST Mar. 25, 2008

    Saudi King Abdullah's desire to convene a meeting between Jewish, Christian, and Muslim religious communities was reported today by the official Saudi Arabian News Agency.

    "I invite representatives of all the monotheistic religions to meet with their brothers in faith," the King was quoted as saying. The theme of the expected conference was reported to be "respect among the religions."

    The news agency reported that senior Muslim leaders authorized the idea and consultations will be made with Islamic religious authorities from other countries. The King went on to say that "with God's help we will meet our brethren from other religions, including those who believe in the Torah and in the Gospel, in order to find ways to defend humanity."

    This, he said, comes after humanity has lost its morality, sincerity, and steadfastness. Also, the religions are confronted by challenges such as dealing with the disintegration of the family and ever-expanding Atheism.

    King Abdullah revealed that he had been preparing the convention for two years and carried out dialogues with the Pope when he visited the Vatican a year ago. Abdullah has not determined a specific date for when he would like to hold the encounter.

    Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi Yona Metzger expressed his pleasure over the announcement. "Our hands are extended to any peace initiative and to any dialogue that will bring about an end to terrorism and violence," he said in a statement. "I have said on numerous occasions that the true path to the peace that we long for is through interfaith dialogue."

  • Trinov said on Mar 26, 2008....
    Hi, more news you probably won't see, but this is a daily occurrance in Israel:
    . "Israeli farmer wounded by Gaza gunmenItamar Sharon and Jpost.com staff , THE JERUSALEM POST Mar. 26, 2008
    An Israeli was lightly wounded Wednesday morning when Palestinian gunmen in the Gaza Strip fired at a group of farmers near Ein Hashlosha, the army said.

    IDF officials said the man was being treated at a medical clinic in the kibbutz.
    Meanwhile, eight rockets were fired into Israel on Wednesday.

    One of the rockets hit a backyard in a kibbutz in the western Negev Wednesday morning, causing some damage to surrounding buildings."

  • Trinov said on Mar 26, 2008....
    Hi

    More news you don't see. Israel is governed by an oligarchy of wealthy leftists who do not have a belief in G-d and who have been persecuting religious Jews of all types. While they claim that the ultra-orthodox don't serve in the army--which is not true, a minority of them do, and some are officers, and one Bubover Chassid was the most hated Master Sergeant in the army during my genration (one tough son of a bitch, and very much respected also). And now over 50% of the army and the officers come from National Relgious--Modern Orthodox backgrounds, and these same G-dness leftists wanted to pass a bill that no more than 50% of the Officers could be religious! It did not go through, doubt if it passed the bill stage, but that shows the way they think.

    Here is an article from Arutz 7 which shows that Israel is not a democracy until you are very left of center:

    Six-Month Sentence for Asking: Should We Expel Arabs or Jews?

    19 Adar Bet 5768, 26 March 08 09:32
    by Nissan Ratzlav-Katz

    (IsraelNN.com) Yekutiel Ben-Yaakov, convicted over a private referendum he conducted, was sentenced on Tuesday to 200 hours of community service, along with a suspended sentence of six months in jail. Ben-Yaakov's parole period is to last for three years. About 50 demonstrators, including some musicians playing protest songs, showed up outside the Jerusalem Magistrate's Court on Tuesday, where sentencing took place.

    Ben-Yaakov, of Kfar Tapuach, was convicted for "incitement to racism" as a result of a street referendum he designed prior to Israel's unilateral withdrawal from Gaza in 2005. His referendum asked which was preferable: then-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's Disengagement Plan, which would expel Jews from Gaza and Samaria, or an alternate plan to expel hostile Arabs from Israel. More than 100,000 people from Israel's major cities participated in the referendum, with over 90 percent saying they would rather expel hostile Arabs.

    "It's outrageous that a country that calls itself a democracy can put someone on trial for making a referendum," Ben-Yakov told the press before sentencing. "A referendum is the purest form of democracy.”

    Ben-Yaakov believes he was charged with incitement not because of the nature of the referendum, but because it demonstrated to the government to what extent the Disengagement Plan went against the will of the majority.

    Participants in Ben-Yaakov's referendum were given a ballot card asking if they "prefer the 'Sharon/Peres Disengagement Plan,' which includes transferring Gaza and parts of the West Bank to Palestinian control and expulsion of all Jews who live there. Or do you prefer the 'Jewish Alternative Disengagement Plan,' which includes annexing these territories and expulsion of the Arabs living there to an area outside Israel, deep beyond a safe security buffer zone?"

    Jerusalem-based Human rights activist Attorney Irving Gendelman calls into question the validity of the incitement law and asks, "Would a person be culpable if his alleged act of incitement was intended only to express an opinion on political issues inherent in a democratic country?" Gendelman says that use of the law at the expense of basic human rights inclusive of the right to democratically oppose governmental political policies "is an anathema." He concludes, "In Israel, it is debatable whether full freedom of expression within democratic norms is permitted by the Israeli Government."

    Yekutiel Ben-Yaakov, formerly known as Mike Guzofsky, moved to Israel from New York. He ran the Hatikva Jewish Identity Center for one of the Jewish Defense League branches in New York City.
  • Trinov said on Mar 26, 2008....
    Hello, and here is a website that is very controversial, and the writer is so feared by the Israeli government that his family was hazzled until he divorced and he eventually had to leave Israel to save his life. His name: Barry Chamish. If you have an open mind and are not afraid of considering the many conspiracies that are in the background of both our history and our news, then try his website:

    http://www.barrychamish.com/

  • Trinov said on Mar 26, 2008....
    Hi, news you usually don't hear, you get an article only if and when our weak government allows the army to go in and take out the terrorists, but we get attacked several times a day, in several areas. This article is from the Arutz 7 English section--

    Kassam Attack on Sderot, 3 Lightly Injured

    19 Adar Bet 5768, 26 March 08 11:02

    by Hana Levi Julian


    (IsraelNN.com) Palestinian Authority terrorists launched nine or ten Kassam rockets on the western Negev community of Sderot Wednesday night.

    A barrage of nine rockets was fired from northern Gaza, according to Sderot Mayor Eli Moyal, who told Voice of Israel government radio that eight of the rockets landed in and around his city. The other two missiles exploded south of the coastal city of Ashkelon, site of several strategic installations.

    Three people were lightly injured from shrapnel in Sderot, according to the IDF spokesman. One of them is a Sudanese refugee. A fourth person was treated for shock. Security forces have not yet released details about the specific locations of the rocket landing sites.

    In addition to Wednesday night's attack, Sderot was hit by three Kassam rockets earlier in the day as well; however, those missiles landed in open areas. No one was hurt and no damage was reported in that attack.

    Moyal emphasized following the night's rocket barrage, "All the talk of a lull in attacks from Gaza is misleading. Today's events prove this."

    A total of 20 Kassam rockets had been fired at Jewish communities in the south of Israel by PA terrorists in northern Gaza by 10:00 p.m. Wednesday night.

    www.IsraelNationalNews.com

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