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My husband and I got into a conversation last night b/c we were discussing the Obama speech. Some how the topic moved back to slavery times and he told me that African Americans should be glad that they were brought over here as slaves b/c it allowed them the opportunites that they have today. That Obama was a product of this and benefiting from this.
 
And that had it not been for the slave traders that many would still be over in Africa with minimal means,my children would probably be young soilders as they are kidnapping boys at their ages and making them fight in the army. Boy and I married this asshole?
I told him oh yeah thanks for beating a bunch of people over the head and dragging them to another continent,insisting on them losing their language and their culture. Thanks for the beatings and working in the HOT as sun in the summer and the freezing cold in the winter. Thanks for the rapes of the women and the degrading of the men,selling their children away from them breaking up their families. Procreating with their slaves,them having off spring from such unions then becoming the ORIGINAL dead beat dads and NOT CLAIMING their children and treating them as if they were less than human.
 
He then went on to say that NOT ALL slave owners treated their slaves that way. That some fed and clothed their slaves and chalked some of this up to isolated incidents. Boy I'd like to live in his WORLD:~( THE FLOOR PEOPLE..........................................................


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  • D6fer said on Mar 20, 2008....
    So would you rather have the life you have now, or the alternative?

    And what do you think the alternative would be like?
  • anonymous said on Mar 20, 2008....

    I commend you for not picking up the frying pan and hitting him over the head with it. I wish I had the same restraint you showed, because had it been me, your husband would be right now nursing, at least, a headache.

  • husbandhater said on Mar 20, 2008....
    Hey D what would have been the alternative had the Pilgrams and the Quakers stayed in England? What would have been the alternative had any one Nationality not come here? Because remember the ONLY one who TRULY had any rights to America is the INDIANS!
  • husbandhater said on Mar 20, 2008....
    D Who knows what the alternative would be like b/c remember we as a society are made up of a many different things. What would my life be like or anyother persons for that matter? I wouldn't be me then. I'd be somebody else. My family make up isn't entirely black. I've got Native American roots and white ones also.
     
    And remember there were those that "passed" into White society and never told their kids or their families what their true racial make up was. So I think we should all do a little wondering. Remember that in those days there was no way to track who was doing who and what a persons real roots were. Some of our founding Father Thomas Jefferson's own biracial children can't be traced once they left his plantation. At least one or two of them was said to have passed into White Society and were never heard from again.
     
    This goes to show that we are more then the color of our skin. And that our skin has just that color.
     
     
  • D6fer said on Mar 20, 2008....
    I agree....it is what it is....nothing any of us can do about history....can't re-write it....can't apologize for something you had no part in......we are all in this together.....hell, Obama and Cheney are related....who'd a thunk it?
  • husbandhater said on Mar 21, 2008....
    Exactly;~)
  • Fallyn said on Mar 21, 2008....
    no wonder you kicked him out.
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 21, 2008....
    You're husband is 100% right.  Name one, just one country in Africa where people have the opportunities they have in America.  Even the poorest Americans are better off than MOST Africans. 
     
    I know they didn't make a decision that it was made for them.  But if I knew that I could suffer for the rest of my life but thousands or millions of people would be better off for it I would do it.
  • curmudgeon said on Mar 21, 2008....
    I don't know about this. I've been to the slave castles in Cape Coast in Ghana and they're no joke. These castles were made of stone. There were rooms in which there were no windows, forget about lights or beds or sheets or even holes to defacate in, nothing but stone walls and brick floors. A room that we'd feel hemmed in with maybe fifty people were packed with 200 or more. A guard would open an inside window out of the captives' reach and literally throw food into the room, landing in the pools of urine and feces and dead bodies. In some of these rooms, the truly disobedient slaves weren't even fed. They were just left to die in the dark.
     
    Sadly, there were many more such horror stories told during our visit.
     
    While it is true that many Africans are living amidst poverty, war and even slavery, I just don't see how anyone would "prefer" to endure six months in the harshest of  Darwinian captivity, only to be packed aboard ships and sold as some other humans' property.
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 21, 2008....
    I didn't say they woud prefer it or even that I would.  But in retrospect my life is better for it. 
  • LUCKY13 said on Apr 18, 2008....
    Lets make the entire earth one nation.It will be a struggle,but in one thousand years we will all be one anyway,unless our space brothers and sisters come to enslave us first.
  • LYMIS said on May 04, 2008....
    There is no possible way that some of you actually have not considered that without slaves being present there would be no whites because you did not know how to tend the land, build the infrastucture systems or keep from getting scalped by Native Americans.  Who was so lucky that African Americans were around if not for whites...you would have starved to death or worse.  Remember the colony of Roanoke, NC? 
  • SeanRenaud said on May 04, 2008....
    ROFL.  LYMIS is stupid.  Whites didn't have farms in Europe, course not they'd never figured that out.  Black slaves were defending their white masters from Indian attacks!  Bwahahahaha!!!!
     
    This is going hi on my list of stupidest things ever said on Soulcast.  Welcome to the club, idiot.
  • LYMIS said on May 05, 2008....
    To attack Sean is only to show that you have a lack of understanding about history and what happened.  Through research and study you will find that there is data supporting what I have to say, what relevance can you give to support your information? Be just as willing to understand other perspectives as they are willing to understand yours.  In truth, through sharing information that is the only way we will learn and grow.  What information do you have to share with regard to this?
  • SeanRenaud said on May 05, 2008....
    Wait I have to prove that Europeans were farming before capturing blacks?  You're kidding right?
     
    Also show me ONE ounce of evidence even suggesting that black slaves were defending their masters against Indian attacks.  More likely they were helping the indians.  I know MOST black families have atleast some indian in their background from escaped slaves.
     
    And no other persepectives are not valid and the idea that they are is assinine.
  • LYMIS said on May 05, 2008....
    Illogical Sean in that even you would not defend someone that was beating you (and yes...surprise most owners beat their slaves) and keeping you against your will as opposed to going along with Native Americans...or here is what really happened (running for your life) so that you could be free while your owner was not watching. Other perspectives that are differing are valid, however it is illogical to reference something that seems so obvious to everyone else.  Slaves will run rather than protect their owners in a fight is my own personal belief.  However when you look at the text of Barbara Omolade, renowned historical author, she stated that blacks were responsible for protecting the lives of their masters in many fights because of the investment that they had with protecting their own friends and family from raiding in her book, The Rising Song of African American Women.  She teaches now at Calvin College and serves as the Dean of Multicultural Studies.
  • SeanRenaud said on May 05, 2008....
    Investments of protecting their friends and family?  Makes no sense the enemy and allies in this battle are literally color coded to prevent mistake.  To suggest the slaves were at any serious risk from the Indians (enough to warrant fighting against them) suggest that either the Indians were to stupid to understand the color coding, or the blacks were.  Neither sounds at all logical or likely.  I'm sure the Indians knew that the blacks were slaves.
     
    I'd really be curious to go back and time and really observe slave treatment, particularly in the latter years.  I really wonder how much beating actually took place and to what extent.  I'm not denying that it happened, I'm quite sure that it did.  I only question how much and to what degree.  A broken slave doesn't exactly accomplish much and seems to make about as much sense as really digging your spurs into your horse.  If the horse can't walk, well he's no good as a horse anymore, but hell it might be just a atter of making and example out of a few so tha tthe rest fall in line.  Which seems logical, like what they do in Bootcamp to the recruits.
  • LYMIS said on May 05, 2008....
    That is a valid point, but I offer the recent footage of Eyes on the Prize documentary which looks at the treatment of African Americans recently in the United States from the period of 1954 to 1965.  Most recently it was offered on PBS for viewing, but it covers the treatment in the south during the time of Jim Crow.
  • LYMIS said on May 05, 2008....
    As for the slave accounts, I offer the book The Slave Narratives which examines the treatment of slaves by their owners over a period of 50 years. Their owners were unusually cruel and offered little consolation to their slaves, some did treat their slaves as family, but you will find that most did not.
  • SeanRenaud said on May 05, 2008....
    I didn't expect most slaves to be treated like families.  I expected them to be treated as what they were.  Work animals.  I imagine that in MOST cases there was some measure of affection on both sides (stockholm syndrom SHOULD work on slaves the same way it works on anybody else who's kidnapped)
     
    Also in the 1950's (or today) new blacks (or today illegal alien latinos) will willingly come to you if you break one.  Infact they will compete to be the next one broken.  Instead of you having to go out and buy a new one.
     
    I'm also not saying that blacks haven't been and probably still are mistreated.  You also come up with the problem of some if it's not really mistreatment as much as loyalty.  Friends give jobs to their friends.  When George Bush's father and friends helped him get to where he is, they didn't do because they hate black people (they might I don't know) they did it because he's family.  The majority of money in this country is still in white hands and thus the majority of opportunity goes to whites because whites mostly hang out with other whites.  Which is again part of my point that blacks as a whole (any other race, right now the Latino habit of refusing english is a WORSE version of the same self segregation) aren't doing themselves any favors by keeping to themselves.

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