I think China has been waiting for this day for a very long time. The U.S. is tapped out militarily, and monetarily, and they....hell...the whole world knows it.
I'm not sure why the people of Tibet have chosen now to rise up.
Now I can hear many of you already "If we hadn't invaded Iraq, we would not be in this position!"
See if you can put that aside for a moment......What can be done about this? Will the U.N. step up? Will it matter?
How do you see this ending up?
D6fer posted on Mar 18, 2008
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TinSoldier said on Mar 18, 2008....
Right or wrong, no one is going to do anything about Tibet. Or Burma. Or Darfur. Or <insert unstable region of the world here>.
I don't mean to be all cynical about it and stuff, but even if we weren't mired down in Iraq and Afghanistan I doubt that we would do anything about it other than wring our hands and talk.
It's an unfortunate truth that we cannot right every wrong in the world, and sometimes even trying gives us a black eye from our supposed friends.
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TinSoldier said on Mar 18, 2008....
I don't know why I got a double comment. Sorry.
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silverwhisper said on Mar 18, 2008....
i really doubt the tibetans care what's going on in the US vis a vis their own situation, to be honest. why should they?
and what, precisely, should the UN do other than denounce it?
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GrapeKoolaid said on Mar 18, 2008....
You'll probably hear more about Tibet this year because of the increased coverage in China due to the Olympics. US won't do anything about Tibet because it doesn't serve market interest to do so. UN will do their obligatory finger waving, but with China being a permanent member of the security council, and Russia and China generally standing on the same side of foreign policy issues, what good will come of that, you think?
Kids getting maimed for market interests in Iraq so that Toby Keith can come visit them and shake their stump at the VA hospital is bad enough.
Poking the dragon with a stick is never a good idea. Especially if that dragon has all the manufacturing powers of your own country.
Just a thought.
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SeanRenaud said on Mar 18, 2008....
The US will do nothing, even if Iraq and Afghanistan were finished we'd still do nothing. The UN will shake it's head and everybody will do the same thing that they are doing with various other hotspots. They will watch innocents be murdered and they will claim that to interfere makes us monsters. People should be free to kill their own citizens if they want. -
D6fer said on Mar 18, 2008....
What should be done? -
SeanRenaud said on Mar 18, 2008....
Morally? We should send in peace keeping troops and be prepared to commit to war if China insists on violence.Practically? We pretty much sit back and wait. We can put more social pressure on China and really get our politicians and media behind saying no to Chinesse made products but they've got too much of our economy for us to act rashly. Still we can't sit back and say and do nothing. -
silverwhisper said on Mar 19, 2008....
IMHO, morally, we should increase tariffs on goods imported from china. their leverage is their markets and cheap labor, and in response, they will raise tariffs on goods imported into china b/c the chinese leadership appears to go for "tit for tat" thinking.
by reducing their leverage, you help tilt the negotiating table in your favor.
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SeanRenaud said on Mar 19, 2008....
I can deal with raising the tarrifs. But if you ask lbnfo7 that's social genocide.I still think we should send in peace keeping troops to prevent violence, but raising the tarriffs still sends a powerful message. -
D6fer said on Mar 19, 2008....
Do you think China will use restraint this time? Or will they Squash them, knowing the condition that our government is in?
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SeanRenaud said on Mar 19, 2008....
They might not be brilliant when it comes to PR but they won't be so ham handed with the Olympics around the corner. -
silverwhisper said on Mar 20, 2008....
sean: yeah, but i don't particularly agree w/ lbf's socioeconomic views.
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anonymous said on Mar 20, 2008....
Dr. Commander Siddhar Selvam from the Hindu Temple of Georgia in Norcross, GA met with Hu Jintao and the Dalai Lama. He has offered to evacuate all Tibetans from Lhasa, at his own expense. Dr. Commander is considered to be a reincarnation of Lord Buddha by his followers! -
SeanRenaud said on Mar 20, 2008....
You agree with him that America isn't special. -
silverwhisper said on Mar 21, 2008....
define "special".
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SeanRenaud said on Mar 21, 2008....
In this case I'm willing ot settle for different. I won't even ask for better (though I don't think that's a stretch either) -
silverwhisper said on Mar 21, 2008....
on that we can agree. :>
hey, help me about by tagging that spammer's tag as a bad one?
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SeanRenaud said on Mar 21, 2008....
No prob. -
kelly said on Mar 23, 2008....
What should we do? Clearly we should put the Dalai Lama on the list of suspected terrorists since that's what the Chinese government is calling him.Innocent people will die. The Chinese government will lie about what is going on. The rest of the world will say "what a shame" and do essentially nothing because there is no economic interest in defending Tibetans. -
bloc said on Mar 30, 2008....
there is an economic interest. -
kelly said on Apr 04, 2008....
Good point, bloc. Nations never invade and oppress other peoples simply on ideological grounds. There must be a driving interest, such as natural resources. Better yet, a native population to enslave to harvest those resources. -
silverwhisper said on Apr 04, 2008....
ah...now that helps explain things!
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D6fer said on Apr 05, 2008....
wow.....sorry I missed that earlier....very interesting......makes perfect sense....follow the money!
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