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I posted these a while back:
 
Orbital view: if Obama were white, wOuld anyOne pay attentiOn?
 
...asking the obvious question: what part does race play in this presidential election?
 
When Geraldine Ferraro posed the question - more as a statement - pressure came from all sides to denounce and retract the statement and for her to resign from the Clinton campaign.
 
Why is this not a legitimate topic of discussion? Some would suggest that it's an attempt to belittle Obama's intellectual accomplishments, and that it also suggests that the accomplishment of achievements such as Obama's are unusual and difficult for the black man in America, thus in and of themselves worthy of recognition.
 
Okay. Here's a headline: PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES GET BELITTLED
 
There's no pass just because you're black, a woman, or a senior citizen.
 
And guess what? The accomplishment of achievements such as Obama's are unusual and difficult for the black man in America, thus in and of themselves worthy of recognition.
 
So what?
 
It seems obvious to me that race got Obama where he is just as a sex scandal has raised the latest hot ho to the magazine covers and Entertainment Tonight. So maybe Obama has the stuff to take advantage of his advantage (the one we won't speak of) or maybe not. That's what IS up to him and him alone as an individual.
 
 


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  • TheUndergroundEagle said on Mar 14, 2008....
    mOOn_planTOOn --- so you're finally in bed with Newt Gingrich, huh? I knew you were a closet ultraconservative.

    Straight out of the Political Insider....

    Gingrich: ‘Ferraro’s remark was silly, childish — and true’
    Friday, March 14, 2008, 09:13 AM

    The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

    Newt Gingrich is saying that Geraldine Ferraro’s comment about Barack Obama was “childish” and “silly” — and “something that probably was true.”

    This line of thought started Thursday with a Gingrich appearance on the Fox radio program “Brian and the Judge,” picked up by a Human Events blog.

    But the former Georgia congressman and House speaker repeated himself this morning on WSB (750AM) radio in Atlanta, in an exchange with Neal Boortz. Click here for the sound bite.

    “I thought it kind of strange that she had to resign for telling the truth,” Gingrich said.

    To back up a bit: Ferraro withdrew from the Hillary Clinton campaign after saying the following one week ago, to a local California newspaper:

    “If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman [of any color] he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.”

    Here’s the gist of the Gingrich/Human Events post:

    “Senator Obama has made every African American proud. There’s nothing wrong with that,” said Gingrich.

    “Under other circumstances, what are the odds that Oprah Winfrey would have decided…to recommend [him] to the entire country and…what are the odds that Oprah Winfrey would have for the first time in her career, gone around the country campaigning for him?”

    Gingrich ridiculed the controversy over Ferraro’s comments as part of “the politically correct left” and asked, “Are we now going to say that nobody is allowed to notice that Senator Clinton is female and nobody is allowed to notice that Senator Obama is African American…are we not allowed to be honest?”

    Gingrich also added about Senator Clinton, “Does anyone seriously believe that Senator Clinton is not running better among women because she is a woman?”

    I guess Newt would agree with you that Oprah's a liar. If you aren't a racist, you certainly are an arms supplier. All 'Truth' has a spin to it, brotha....
  • mOOn_platOOn said on Mar 14, 2008....
     
    And yelling "racist" every time someone wants to discuss the topic is complete bullshit. Maybe if we clear the air we'll be able to see better. It would be easier for me to forget Obama's race if it weren't being made into such a shrill "non-issue" by the PC crowd. I'd like to consider him for what he is, but right now that would partly be a hyprocrite. And don't call me your family names. It's clear from some of your own posts that you bear some heavy prejudices yourself. And that's normal. But get off your high horse.
     
  • TheNakedProfessor said on Mar 14, 2008....
     
    You know what's strange?
     
    No one said this when Jesse Jackson ran in '84. He won a couple of primaries, maybe if he'd gone farther it would have come up, but never once was it said that he was only getting support because he was black. Maybe because it was so obvious.
     
     
  • TheUndergroundEagle said on Mar 14, 2008....
    Obvious? What's so obvious? That Jesse Jackson was only getting votes because he was black??????
  • Kilgore_V_Trout said on Mar 14, 2008....
    Jesse Jackson had street cred. He'd been a political figure for a long time, just not elective offices.
  • somethingunUSual said on Mar 14, 2008....
    oH for shitsake, Michael (oo-Hooo) Jackson is blacker than Obama!
  • desdemona said on Mar 14, 2008....
    maybe it's just selective news editing, but I don't think Barack is smiling as much as he used to. He was doing better when he let the stuff roll off his back I think. It just seems like he's always answering some charges these days----------- :D
  • TheNakedProfessor said on Mar 14, 2008....
     
    No Eagle, just the opposite.
     
    He was getting votes because he earned support from years of public activity. To a lot of us, Obama just popped up out of the blue (or "black" as the case may be).
     
  • mOOn_platOOn said on Mar 14, 2008....
     
    I swear, the media no longer even have to think, they just come in here and steal ideas from the pages of SoulCast.
     
  • Fallyn said on Mar 14, 2008....
    agree with your initial statement.
  • somethingunUSual said on Mar 14, 2008....
    yo Lyn, who are you talking to and what statement are ya talkin' aboot?
  • Fallyn said on Mar 14, 2008....

    something.....sorry, *grin* i was in a hurry....i meant the original post. :P

  • 4eyes said on Mar 14, 2008....
    Did you see the tapes from Obama's pastor? Geewiz Obama's pastor is a racist of the worst sort. God Damn America he said on TV and he said we deserved 9/11 and he said a lot of things that were raciest and he is Obama's friend, married him and his wife. Baptized his kids, a friend of twenty years. What are we going to do about the racism in black America? That's really the question isn't it?
  • StoneMaster said on Mar 14, 2008....
    Frankly I am appalled at the lack of choices for Asian Americans. Where is OUR token candidate????????????????????
  • mOOn_platOOn said on Mar 14, 2008....
     
    I got educated about black racism when I lived in Washington, DC. But we're not distinguishing the degrees of racism here, just the fact that it's being "officially" ignored as an issue.
     
  • TheUndergroundEagle said on Mar 14, 2008....
    If Jesse had started looking serious in that election, you can bet your ass all sorts of racist shit would have hit the fan. That's why it's happening now, and just wait if Obama gets the nomination the real badasses will come out of the woodwork.
  • silverwhisper said on Mar 15, 2008....
    there's a difference b/n the question posed by oprah and the assertion made by geraldine ferraro: oprah is asking the question you are, moon platoon, whereas ferraro was dismissing obama b/c her statement suggests that the only reason obama is successful is his race.

    that's the insulting thing. ferraro's statement means that she's reached a conclusion: if not for being black, nobody would pay attention. obviously, his speaking skills, natural charisma and different message are, to ferraro, completely irrelevant. and i think that's insulting to obama.

    yes, it's a factor, as you say. but it's not the factor, which is what ferraro was saying.

    ed
  • LtCmdrWorf1 said on Mar 15, 2008....

    Hey mOOn,

    WE do need to talk about culture in America.  People need to move out of their comfort zones and talk about it because it does matter. 

     I remember when Jimmy the Greek talked about why blacks are better athletes he said, and I'm paraphrasing here, "It's because they were bred that way during slavery."  He was not necessarily wrong, but he was white.  The problem that I have with the discussion of culture in this country is that if a white person bring it up, in any form or fashion, black people immediately label that person a racist.  that is wrong. 

    Geraldine Ferraro was and is not one of my favorite people, but we should not dismiss her comments out of hand.  This is an opportunity to open up a discussion on the topic.  Peace and Long LIfe

    Love Worf   

  • gradyl said on Mar 15, 2008....
    Now let me figure this out. The economy is in the tank. Our health care system is broke. Our school systems are not educating and are more interested in social revision. Our system of government is being run by smiling retards that is more interested in their sound bites on evening tv and one upmenship over the opposing party than to do what we are payng them to do. We just keep sending young people to fight in countries that hate us and have no intension to ever peacefully co exsist. Our country is being over run by lawbreakers that are coming into the country illegally and the so called lawmakers that make laws for all law abiding people to follow, are turning a blind eye to them. Jobs are being sucked out of our country sent to foreign countries that make products to sell back to us because they can make them cheaper than Americans  . Wages for existing jobs are stagnat or companies are folding with no reguard for their employees just to keep stock holders happy and CEO in all their yachts and private jets. Cost of fuel and soon to be food prices are hitting an all time high and people are expected to foot their bills and buy all the new and fancy products from our friends that now manufacture them overseas. Crime rate continue to escilate and we keep building more prison while the currupt legal system continue to fill them.  We continue to think that how we vote is going to have an impact on our lives. We have now sorted it down to three people still in the race that offers us no choice. We have a turncoat republican like sheep in wolves clothing that doesn't know which side of the isle he should sit. A conniving lying bitch who claims to help us all sleep better at night  if elected. I guess thats what she did while her husband was getting his blowjob in the oval office.. sleeping. I guess we are all to expect she got all her experince in governing just because she stood by her man.  Then we have old obamah who has no solutions to our problems except to point that we need a change. The number one thing on any of the candidates minds is how much money they can raise in the fundraisers to waste on advertising. It is amazing that they spend millions of free campaign money for a job that pays less than a half a million a year.  Yet  all us lemmings are concerned about that we might call a black man a blackman or hurt poor Hillary feelings because she is a female or make fun of an old worn our man who main claim to fame is that he sat out  the war in prison camp.Its no wonder that he has  no idea which side he is on today. I guess that if we get of racism all the rest will take care of its self .Shame on us. If this is our only concern the we deserve what we get.
  • daleholder said on Mar 15, 2008....

    Ferraro's suggestion is right on point but it embarrases the liberal elites and the talking heads who sense of righting historical wrong through Obama's campaign chafes their sense of do goodism. Notice how they shy away from ever talking about race in reference to Obama but mention it in exit polling and ad nauseam in other campaign tidbits....

    Obama's campaign lets European_Americans off the historical HOOK BECAUSE they get to be baptised in a quasi sense of post civil right sanctimony "see here's a Black man, a credible Black man, running seriously for PODUS who is unscarred by the vestiges of oppression, who never mentions it, 'see what a long way we(both races)have come'."

     It's a win win, they get to feel good and Blacks beam with pride when Obama does his best MLK impersonation on the stump. After South Carolina, (one of the State's with a more glaring example of Black/White socio-economic disparity), the elegiac Senator said, "I didn't see Black and White South Carolina, I saw South Caroilina". The mainstream's media insistence on focussing on the African side of Obama's lineage gives futher credence to the idea that his skin color is the "raison d'etre" for his candicacy....most Black people I speak to said Obama's run will serve as a pschological uplift for young "COLORED" children everywhere...I am yet to hear anyone, White/Black/Asian/Hispnic/Native American/Other suggest Obama's candidacy is anything other than the idea of hope and a "different way of doing things": Obama's sojourn is once again that of the messianic magical figure whose legacy in America is the shoulder to cry on to heal but who has risen by the bootstraps to extricate himself from endemic oppression and speak clearly without rancor about "the greatness of America"---sort of the Black Male Mammy figure, this is not to say that Obama isn't intelligent or noteworthy but Ted Sorensen's (JFK's speechwriter") has gilded him into the first pastor/candidate in the way only a Black man can...his speeches are homilies, "we are the change we seek" and "yes we can" reinforcing the the role of the Black man as the moral conscience/lithmus test for racial progress in America...Obama's decision to kickoff his campaign in Springfeld, Illinois evoking memories of Lincoln, (no friend of Blacks, no, he did not free the slaves) was the initial signal about what kind of campaign his would be...amorphous.......In the strangest way, Obama's insistence on mentioning race only in passing, is proof of his race-based candicacy; the more impervious he is to the idea of race/racism "see, we can take the black man seriously, as long as he doesn't remind us of his his people's legacy."

  • GrapeKoolaid said on Mar 15, 2008....
    Uppity field ni**ers and former freed slaves don't get to be president in this country.  Maybe well-spoken, well-heeled house ni**ers, and an immigrant's son.  (And that's a big maybe).  That's why Alan Keyes, who is, in many ways, quite capable, is a perennial "candidate" for public office.  Mostly appointed, rarley(if ever?) elected. 

    Liberals would love to get rid of race and gender all together, pretend such things don't exist, believe that if everyone's given the same opportunity, same education, they will all achieve the same end goal.  To me this seems to be lacking in perspective.  In the race to embrace all ideas new, their sense of history gets lost. 

    Conservatives, on the other hand, glorify history and are so mired in it, that they would love nothing less than separate drinking fountains, bathrooms and scouring the African desert for the spear of destiny.  To them, any new idea is immediately rejected, shunned in the name of "value"(which they seem to think they have to right to dictate). 

    Sorry if none of this makes any sense.  My head is quite jumbled today and I am nursing a hangover. 
  • mOOn_platOOn said on Mar 15, 2008....
    Thanks for the thoughtful comments everyone. Hope your head is better soon, Grape. In a rush but will comment more later....
  • daleholder said on Mar 15, 2008....

    In short, Obama reprises one of the roles of the African in America, that of entertainer, no different from the athlete or singer. The efficacy of Obama's tenure is hinged on the image of the "hope guy " the timbre and cadence of his voice, his uplifting message of redemption, his ability to work across the aisle no other candidate is saddled with the responsibility of "healing America" (Bush and Kerry dueled about National security, ABOUT who was the tougher guy)sing, dance, preach, run, jump but don't ruminate seriously about ideas/issues....SINCE WHEN DOES AMERICA CARE ABOUT FAITH AND HOPE IN THEIR PRESIDENCY....keep it faith-based, frame your candicacy as non stop revival and then you will have a shot. If it's not Jesse the rabble rouser and his portly sidekick Sharpton, then it's Obama the minister, coming down the from the mount of insoluble eveness to provide Majority America a way out...athough, health care, income distributon, unemployment etc etc etc are at historic levels of disparity between Blacks/Whites/Others, his run at history allows the mainstream to latently portray his candicacy as a panacea to raging inequality (To be fair, CNN has tried to cut to the bone on this issue). As long as Obama parlays the role of telegenic "everyman", he will be viable...hence, the only person on the Democratic side who really addressed viable socio-economic issues, John Edwards, was run out of town because the ruling plantocracy decided "White guys are out this election cycle", probably because of the carnage caused by the current president, there needs to be a reprieve on White guys for a few years and allow historic candicacies, Black Guy/White Woman, so they  can focus on FINANCIAL RUNS AND FEDERAL GOVRNMENT BILLION DOLLAR BAILOUTS, in any other year, these stories would BE PAGE 1 headlines thoughout our walk but can chew gum media houses...RUN OBAMA RUN, stay on message but remember:hope is not a plan

  • RollingC said on Mar 15, 2008....
    bookmarking for later....
  • curmudgeon said on Mar 15, 2008....
    John Edwards lost because John Edwards is boring and an utter hypocrite.
     
    I think gender and race in this election can be issues, but as silverwhisper notes it ought to be part of a broader context of the direction this nation wishes to go.
     
    I don't think that Obama is so popular simply because of his ethnicity. He's also a compelling speaker and gives off a great energy. To simply attribute all of his appeal to his race is inaccurate at best. At worst, it reveals an underlying racism that I've always suspected runs through the leftists in power. They're perfectly happy when black people vote for them, but when someone comes to steal their thunder, the truth about them comes out in spades.
     
    But if anyone saw the video of Obama dancing, clearly his "dancing genes" came from somewhere else.
     
    Or maybe that was just his politician two-step.
  • TinSoldier said on Mar 19, 2008....
    You know what's strange?
     
    No one said this when Jesse Jackson ran in '84. He won a couple of primaries, maybe if he'd gone farther it would have come up, but never once was it said that he was only getting support because he was black. Maybe because it was so obvious.

    Actually, NakedProf, someone did say it. I'll give you three guesses who, and the first two don't count.









    Hint: her first name was Geraldine and her last name was Ferraro.
  • TinSoldier said on Mar 19, 2008....
    Grape: I used to support Keyes. And then I found out what a loony he has become. Sigh.

    Or maybe because I myself became less loony.


  • mOOn_platOOn said on Mar 20, 2008....

     

    Well, Obama has come out with his Big Speech since this was posted.

    Looks like race suddenly became an issue. America may be ready for Obama, but is it ready for Obama's entourage?

    Cur: as for the "compelling speaker" and "gives off great energy," I haven't felt it. There seems to be a divide between those who "get" the Obama appeal and those who just don't.

    It's unusual for a black man in America to have the kind of credentials Obama has, but lots of blacks and whites are compelling speakers. The presidential race is the unique theatre of operations for the context of my question: if Obama were white, would anyone pay attention?

  • LtCmdrWorf1 said on Mar 20, 2008....

    Hey mOOn,

    (It's unusual for a black man in America to have the kind of credentials Obama has)

    It's not as unique, or unusual as you might think.  There are many men and women of colour all over this country who are just as impressive as Senator Obama.  They, like me, have sense enought not to want to be in charge of a country.  Peace and Long Life.

    Love Worf

  • cotteralladams3 said on Mar 22, 2008....
    People like Obama and Winfrey worsen the situation by pitting minorities against the majority and creating issues in race relations and politics.
  • GrapeKoolaid said on Mar 22, 2008....
    The headline from this week's "The Onion":  Black Guy Asks Nation For Change

    Sorry...  Just couldn't help myself... 
  • TheNakedProfessor said on Mar 22, 2008....
    Agrees with Worf - anyone who wants to be President has got to be a little nuts.
  • somethingunUSual said on Mar 25, 2008....
    Obama has finally come out. Racism is normal and okay as long as you're black, or if you're a whitey over 65.
     
  • TheUndergroundEagle said on Mar 30, 2008....
    We have a chance to turn the world on its ear, in a good way. To throw the bums out, literally. To get rid of the old school, possibly. Can that really be soooo bad? Enough old white establishment bullcrap. This country will never heal without pendulums swinging full tilt. Why should we be a joke around the world? Besides, what's going to be the most fun to watch unfold? IF NOT NOW< WHEN? IF NOT US< WHO?
  • mOOn_platOOn said on Apr 15, 2008....
    Just want to thank all the contributors to this post - I think that it's turned out to be one of the best political discussions that I've ever seen on SoulCast.
     
    Thanks everyone who contributed.
     
    P.S. I had a somewhat sexy dream about Hillary last night. This disturbs me, because I've never found her to be attractive. It was a situation where she, I and a third (rather vague) person were discussing health care. She was in a hospital bed, apparently checking to see what kind of improvements could be made. She had no clothes on, although her body (except for arms and shoulders) was under the covers. As the dream went on, I kept getting the urge to tell her that I was starting to change my mind and thought that I might vote for her after all...and I had the weirdest urge to hump her.
     
    Yike!
     
     

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