• SeanRenaud said on Mar 14, 2008....

  I don't care much what consenting adults do in their bed room.  I don't much care about incest.
   
  As for pedos I have a problem with that, but technically you're only a pedo if you are into prepubecent girls.

• vacantmind said on Mar 14, 2008....

  Biglove, I am with you on this one. I don't think that we can change this type of thinking though and they will remain clueless about the damage they do. Incest is just as dangerous as a stranger and sometimes even more so. So, I really don't agree with Sean on this one. Being a survivor myself I know the pain that it causes.

  Good Job getting Blocked!

• SeanRenaud said on Mar 14, 2008....

  Were you a willing participant?

• vacantmind said on Mar 14, 2008....

  No!

  Now, if we are talking about incest among adults then I would have to agree with you but there is too many factors to agree with that statement when it comes to children.  

• SeanRenaud said on Mar 14, 2008....

  Then you were raped.  Rape and incest are two entirely different things and obviously we are in agreement on it.  Hell I even said it my original post.  CONSENTING ADULTS. 
   
  Pedophillia again refers to prepubecent children.  15,16,17 year old girls while still illegal it doesn't take a pedophile to want to bed a 16 year old.  It simply doesn't.
   
  Rape is always wrong. 

• vacantmind said on Mar 14, 2008....

  incest: : sexual intercourse between persons so closely related that they are forbidden by law to marry; also : the statutory crime of such a relationship.

  This must be where I am misunderstanding you, our definitions differ. Molestation doesn't include sexual intercourse but my view on that is the same as rape.

  I agree it doesn't take a pedophile to want to bed a 16 year old. I think those desires are more prevalent than anyone would want to admit.

   

• SeanRenaud said on Mar 14, 2008....

  Ok I can still side with you on molestation not including sexual intercourse but having the same opinion.  No problem there.
   
  If two adults want to have sex I've got no problem even if they are brother and sister.  And we seem to be in agreement on that.
   
  We follow to the pedophillia part.  I'm not and won't defend pedophillia.  The problem is that often we label the guy who has a 16 year old in bed as a pedophile and he isn't. 
   
  It's a lot more prevalent because prety much most guys who say they don't want that are lying.  Half the time you can't even tell.  Once they've developed into women (physically) they become fair game for sexual fantasies.  Not for sex for mostly legal reasons.

• vacantmind said on Mar 14, 2008....

  SeanRenaud...Your last statement cleared it up for me. I agree with you. Plus, the fact the alot of 16 and 17 year old girls want to be older than what they are. When I was 14, I dated a guy that was 18. That lasted for three years. I don't view this man as a pedophile. Now, that line gets a little blurry for me when we have a 40+ person persuing  someone that age but, I don't know that I was classify him as a pedophile either. Just a horny old man unless he is aware of the age.

• SeanRenaud said on Mar 14, 2008....

  Even if he is aware of the age it doesn't make him a pedo.  It just makes him a horny old man.  You were 14 you were aware of what you were doing and while I'm certain your parents would have loved to have gotten that man on the list of registered sex offenders the fact is it doesn't sound like he hurt you.  As long as the distinction is made I'm cool.

• silverwhisper said on Mar 15, 2008....

  biglove: wear the blocking as a badge of honor.
  
  sean: legally, an adult with a 16 year old is a pedophile. you know that.
  
  ed

• SeanRenaud said on Mar 15, 2008....

  Legally an eighteen year old with a seventeen year old is a SEX OFFENDER.  while the terms are often used as if they are interchangable they are not.
   
  Not to mention therein lies a major part of the problem.  Pedophillia is a disease of the mind.  How best to treat/punish/remove individuals with this disease isn't the point.  The point is that it is a disease.  Not bothering to ask a person for their ID isn't a disease it's stupid.  Hell if you saw my ex you'd think she was 15.  She looks young and dresses like a kid.

• silverwhisper said on Mar 16, 2008....

  sean: ah, excuse me, you're right.
  
  all of this is exceedingly tangential to the original purpose of this blog entry, though.
  
  sorry, biglove!
  
  ed

• biglove said on Mar 17, 2008....

  Sean & Vacant ~ your points are well taken and I agree with both of you on different things. However, the blogs and bloggers I am refering to are talking about young boys and girls and they clearly state that not only in their blogs but their profiles. Incest is different from molestation and adults can do what they want, but children (even the age of 16), I feel, don't make these choices without being manipulated by an adult. Thanks guys for your input, it brings up some good points.
   
  Ed ~ As always thanks ;-))

• DeusExMachina said on Apr 18, 2008....

  Well first off, I think theres nothing wrong about having sexual feelings, urges or even
  relationships with children as long as they arent hurt in any way. Now People may argue that
  even having such a relationship with them will hurt them, but why is that, because its
  parents and society are telling children that its wrong and that causes them to feel
  embarassed, abused and violated. Thus if a adult has a sexual relationship with a child
  without harming him/her in any way explaining every little detail and leaving the child to
  decide what makes it still wrong , because society in its majority has deemed it unusual,
  unconventional and harmful. Im sorry but thats ignorant. Think about it, 30 years ago we
  never had these child molesting issues we have now, we didnt have people raping, molesting
  and murdering children left, right and center. Why is this, because it wasnt as evil and
  immoral back then to just love or have sexual urges over a child or look lustfully at a
  child (dont get me wrong raping, molesting, abusing or harming anybody, nevermind a child,
  is and always should be pure evil), thus people portrayed it as weird but it wasnt a serious
  crime. Now just hinting at the faintest clue of having sexual urges or no just finding
  children sexually attractive automatically makes you satan incarnate. This causes a lot more
  tension and stress on people and as time rolls on and the responses and punishments getting
  worse for acts that seemed not so bad 30 years ago people tend to get a little more
  psychotic and out of control thus the increase in child molesting that we see today. Think
  of it this way, 30 years ago child rape and molesting were virtually unheard of now its one
  of the most occuring crimes, I mean do the math. Finally thats where my urges come in, I
  wouldnt mind having a sexual relationship with a prepubescent girl, completely consensual, I
  mean I cant stress enough the fact on how much I hate child rapests, molesters and murderers
  I mean I do like girls on a higher level than normal people thus its only natural for me to
  hate those that hurt them in any way, I sometimes just get pissed if a parent would ignore
  or yell at their daughter in the mall. Im just saying its unfair that society clumps true
  pedophiles (child lovers) with child molesters (those that hurt children). I just hope that
  some day society can open their eyes, and start embracing individuality than pushing it
  away.

• vacantmind said on Apr 18, 2008....

  Deus...I'm sorry but that is an ignorant statement. There hasn't been a huge increase in these crimes. We just don't ignore the victims as much anymore. Pedophiles aren't child lovers and "those that hurt children" isn't the definitiion of child molestatiion.

  30 years ago pedophiles were looked down upon because your hand spreading the legs of a young girl is hurtful. You may think in your sick mind that is love but, I have been that child. I have sat in rooms with hundreds of other survivors...they all hurt from what was done to them. Physical pain isn't the only measure here!

• biglove said on Apr 18, 2008....

  Deus, are you serious? First off, as an adult your role for a child is to teach them and help them develope into a half way decent human being. Children look up to us, look to us for the answers and learn by our examples, so how can a child choose to have a sexual relationship with an adult when they don't even know what sex is? Try to convince yourself that a young is saying "yes" because she wants to, but the fact is you are forcing the choice and in the end she will forever be damaged....I know this from personal experience.

  Deus....get some help!!

• biglove said on Apr 18, 2008....

  Deus, are you serious? First off, as an adult your role for a child is to teach them and help them develope into a half way decent human being. Children look up to us, look to us for the answers and learn by our examples, so how can a child choose to have a sexual relationship with an adult when they don't even know what sex is? Try to convince yourself that a young is saying "yes" because she wants to, but the fact is you are forcing the choice and in the end she will forever be damaged....I know this from personal experience.

  Deus....get some help!!

• biglove said on Apr 18, 2008....

• silverwhisper said on Apr 19, 2008....

  "deusexmachina" obviously doesn't understand the concept of informed consent.
  
  ed

• DeusExMachina said on Apr 19, 2008....

  Thats the whole thing as pedos you people obviously dont understand. Dou you know why it is seen as wrong, because society deems it as discusting that they wouldnt do it thats why its wrong, like a few decades ago it was wrong to be gay, because people saw it as discusting. You people were either really abused (physically or mentally) as children by adults, you either had an adult that did love you but didnt explain everything properly or went too fast or you had a fine relationship with an adult untill a parent or society told you that what you did was wrong and what the adult did was wrong and that made you feel ashamed, abused and violated. Plus studies show that child abuse has surged over the last 30 years these are real statistics. I can assure you that pedophiles are child lovers, and I never said "those that hurt children" is the definition for child molesters I just said thats what they do. Look I dont mind spreading my hands over a young girls legs but that isnt love thats lust and I agree that should only come after both partners love each other. I dont just want sex, dont be so ignorant, I want to love little girls as well, even if I just have a little girl on my lap (not doing anything perverted) and just talk to her or play normal games with her that would be fine for me and then when both of us are ready then I would take it to the next level. I would never hurt children in anyway.  I want to teach children the proper and normal stuff in life too, Im not some guy only looking for sex, but saying that a child cant possible ever agree to sex is ignorance. Besides thats also one of the things Id like to teach them sex. Besides your personal experience sounds like a child molester not a pedophile. In my opinion informed consent is just another forced view by society, just because you dont agree with the view doesnt mean its illegal and you have to deem the people that do agree with the view criminals. Get your facts straight you have no idea what its like to live as a pedophile, you think I decided to be this way,n o i was born this way and when I realised this is how I was created I decided I wont force my self to change for societys sake, you have no idea what life is like for pedophiles.

• silverwhisper said on Apr 19, 2008....

  DEM, children cannot give informed consent. sex w/ a child therefore is always rape, both morally and ethically.
  
  ed

• DeusExMachina said on Apr 19, 2008....

  They may not understand everything to the detail, thus consent isnt 100% for sure, but if they enjoyed it and there was no harm done then who are you or the government or society to say that what that child did was wrong, or what that adult did was wrong, you have no idea of the bond between the adult and the child, now you just bust in, forcing your views on a child, causing them to feel bad and feel abused, now that adult that only wanted to love that child is going to lose his entire life due to people not wanting to embrace or even debate peoples views. Ive seen a lot of videos and until you see those videos dont tell me that its impossible for a child to consent.

• vacantmind said on Apr 19, 2008....

  "I sometimes just get pissed if a parent would ignore
  or yell at their daughter in the mall. Im just saying its unfair that society clumps true pedophiles (child lovers) with child molesters (those that hurt children)." This is your quote here, so don't say you didn't define child molesters that way! I am obviously discussing this with someone of below average intelligience if you can't remember your own words. Which just shows this is a waste of time.
   

• DeusExMachina said on Apr 19, 2008....

  In that quote I referred to child molesters as people who hurt children I never specifically said that this is the definition of a child molester: "Pleople who hurt children". Whos the one with below average intelligence now. Besides youre just stalling for time cause you cant come up with anything half descent to say to counter my views, Im sorry but if youre gonna waste my and everyone wlses time like this just leave the posting to people who know what theyre talking about.

• silverwhisper said on Apr 20, 2008....

  DEM: who are you to say no harm was done? that's rank arrogance and wishful thinking.
  
  ed

• DeusExMachina said on Apr 20, 2008....

  Im saying no harm was done by the adult because he never intended any and explained everything and left all decisions up to the girl, now go and watch some of those vids and youll see how those girls act theyre not hurt or uncomfortable in any way take the vicky vids for example, the girl in those vids name is Kylie Freeman. Now I know from watching quit a few of her vids that she was never hurt or made to feel uncomfortable, but a few years later her mom explained to her what child abuse was but she explained that even if a adult didnt hurt her if he touched her in anyway its still abuse. Thus she satrted getting confused and started refusing his sexual advances he didnt get violent and he accepted that a few years later from watching forest gump she was reminded about the whole situation and told everything to her foster parents. The authorities and society got involved and the man was arrested exactly what Kylie didnt want. Now all the harm caused against her is because of societies and her moms narrow minded views being forced on her and her father. You know Ive explained this concept already on this forum but either you people are just stupid or blind.
  

• silverwhisper said on Apr 20, 2008....

  i'm sorry, i'm absolutely not watching kiddie porn, DEM. nobody else in their right mind is, either. thank you however for stating that you have watched kiddie porn. i now know you're just an apologist with a massive degree of personal interest in the discussion.
  
  again: a child cannot give informed consent. a child cannot possibly understand the meaning of certain things due to his or her age, no matter how it's explained.
  
  and that notwithstanding: it's illegal.
  
  it isn't that people here are stupid or blind. it's that you urgently need help before you do something else that will lead to a very, very unpleasant prison stay.
  
  ed

• DeusExMachina said on Apr 20, 2008....

  It is as you say, a child cannot give consent up to a level that an adult can, but a child can refuse while in the act of sex, or atleast show a sign of not agreeing whats being done to him or her. Now if a true pedophile sees this he will let the child go and reassure the child that he is sorry and nto try it again until he is positive that the child is ready. Now in the situation that a child agrees to it and the child enjoys it, how in any possible way is the child hurt at that moment, now the law of consent was established to protect a child from harm but what if even through theis whole process the child wasnt hurt, then the law of consent shouldnt apply because the child was not harmed. Now if you say that even if a child did agree with it and was not hurt its still evil, then why is it evil, because the law states it to be Im sorry thats biased, just because you dont agree with it that doesnt mean you can barge into a situation where nobody was hurt and then suddenly take charge and start forcing biased views and laws on innocent people and thats what ive been trying to say for the past few messages.
  

• silverwhisper said on Apr 20, 2008....

  if you think you're going to persuade people somehow that in any way whatsoever that sexuality could possibly happen in a way that is non-negative with minors, let me spare you the effort, DEM: it ain't gonna happen. not here, not ever.
  
  as i said from the beginning, it's about informed consent. inability to give informed consent means that it's rape. just like if you drug a woman and then have sex with her that's also rape: no informed consent can be given.
  
  but here's what i find most telling about this entire exchange: you diligently search out a blog entry that's weeks old and was written by someone who was raped as a child, then proceed to spout your nonsense without any apparent care for that fact, and insist that such a thing can be positive.
  
  in anybody's book, that's incredibly rude and arrogant, no matter the subject. but about this particular subject, that's just plain revolting.
  
  i hope that the appropriate law enforcement officers find you soon. you've already confessed to having watched numerous kiddie porn products freely and of your own volition. that's gotta be enough for a good few years behind bars.
  
  ed

• DeusExMachina said on Apr 20, 2008....

  So great now that you finally realise you dont have any proper counter to say now you start getting violent, please spare me your childish responses. I never searched out this blog I joined Soul Cast when I found another persons blog who supports pedophilia and this blog was under related topics. Dont judge before you know the facts.
  
  You still cling to that abstract concept you call informed consent, that was created by biased people for biased purposes.
  
  Look Im sorry for all the people in the world that was abused as children as a lover of children I can never accept what was done to the child abuse victims. It just caught my eye how people can clump child molesters with pedophiles and I wanted to share my views and findings. Thats all, I wish that those that abused the children burn in the seventh ring of hell, and I wish that the victims would someday recover.
  
  I never posted on this blog to persuade anybody, just to post my views. If you disagree with it, thtas fine, to each his own. I was just hoping to teach people the difference.
  
  There you also go again saying how such a thing can be positive. You caompare what I stand for to children that was abused again you ignored the the differences in my beliefs that I pointed out.
  

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 20, 2008....

  Pedophilia is a disease and it id damaging to both the victim and the perpetrator. 

• vacantmind said on Apr 20, 2008....

  You are getting irritated because we don't accept you view but, you are claiming that pedophilia is about loving a child.
  ped/o= child
  -philia= tendency toward; abnormal appetite or liking for
   
  This contradicts something you stated on your own blog. This is medical terminology taken from the context in which the word orginated. This is my profession and training, you purposely gave misinformation about this word to fit your own agenda. Anytime, you state pedophilia as being about loving a child you will get this reaction. Pedophilia has been associated with child abuse for hundreds of years.
   

• DeusExMachina said on Apr 20, 2008....

  It has been associated to child abuse for hundreds of years by biased poeple. Yeas Pedo = child, but you probably derived philia from the Latin word with the above meaning you described, Im associating it with the greek word phili its original translation meaning love. Even if thats what it meant this is the term that me and a lot of people that  share my views have bestowed on themselves it doesnt matter what definition you slap on to a word or term that doesnt change the fact that we would never hurt children and that we would love children.
  
  Hey SeanRenaud I like your 2 cents you added really significant. Keep up the good work.
  
  Im just trying to peacefully show you my views you dont have to agree with it, but just like all pedophobes you have to start getting agitated and emotional. You display so much hate, I really havent seen so much hate ever in my life, why cant you just discuss it like a normal human being.
  

• vacantmind said on Apr 20, 2008....

  Your other issue is that you are trying not to be grouped in with these predators yet, you are describing yourself with the same characteristics as them.
   
  Pedophilia is categorized in the DSM-IV-TR as one of several paraphilic mental disorders. The essential features of a Paraphilia are recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors that generally involve nonhuman subjects, children, or other non-consenting adults, or the suffering or humiliation of oneself or one’s partner.
   
  How can you expect anyone to see you differently when you put your self into this group by labeling yourself as a pedophile? It doesn't make sense. Even the behaviors you are stating are signs of this mental disorder.
   
  Pedophiles seem to have narcissistic and antisocial (psychopathic) traits. They lack empathy for their victims and express no remorse for their actions. They are in denial and, being pathological confabulators, they rationalize their transgressions, claiming that the children were merely being educated for their own good and, anyhow, derived great pleasure from it.
   
  You want to be viewed differently...then don't speak in a way that fits every text book case of this mental disorder.
   

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 20, 2008....

  Because treating your point of view like it warrants disccusion just spreads your sickness around.  Sleeping with children has always been wrong, a healthy human mind doesn't even fathom attraction to children.  It wasn't common place in the past, in the past girls (and boys) who had passed puberty were no longer considered children.  Now that college boys fucking high school girls are considered pedophiles of course the number has gone up, it's not an increase in men mollesting infants in their cribs or guys luring kintergarteners away with promises of candy, or even fifth graders on camping trips or Catholic Priests.  The dieased portion of society has remained constant, like the gay community (which is also IMO a disease.  It's just it doesn't hurt anybody and th "victims" are happy so why bother?)

• DeusExMachina said on Apr 20, 2008....

  Any normal male has severe sexual urges and feelings your text books just added the child anything non human part. Thus I would just be a normal male with my preferences just set to a different age. That still makes it biased because that rules out the severe sexual urges part and just leaves the child part.
  
  I have no narcissistic (drug) problems, nor do I have any antisocial problems, I have a lot of friends that know of my views, and while they themselves wont do it, they understand me and respect my beliefs. I display empathy for children all the time and I dont call or look at them as prey. I wouldnt say educated for their own good, I would say educated in their own will, and if they enjoyed it whats so wrong, what a child cant enjoy something.
  
  Ive into societies so called statements on what is symptoms of so called text book child molester and their mental disorders, and I dont fit them and I know quite a few people that dont fit the description either, you know what your problem is you generalize and leave know possibility for individuality.
  
  SeanRenaud, I didnt know a sicknes can be spread by just debating it thats a new one.
  
  I never said it was commonplace in the past I said that it wasnt so easily frowned upon because as you said people already married in their early teens, thus if a  loving relationship occured with a prepubescent child it wasnt  seen as evil as it is now. Besides pedophilia was only defined in the late 1800's.
  
  Now your discriminating against the gays as well, who were in a similiar situation as pedophiles a few years ago. Stop trying to discriminate and force your biased views.
  

• vacantmind said on Apr 20, 2008....

  Umm..narcissitic has nothing to do with drugs.
  Pathological narcissism is a life-long pattern of traits and behaviours which signify infatuation and obsession with one's self to the exclusion of all others and the egotistic and ruthless pursuit of one's gratification, dominance and ambition.

• DeusExMachina said on Apr 20, 2008....

  Im sorry, at first glance I gort it confused with narcotics.
  
  Even so I dont show any narcissistic triats either.
  

• silverwhisper said on Apr 21, 2008....

  DEM, i've finally realized that there's no point in talking with you b/c you're nothing but a troll.
  
  ed

• DeusExMachina said on Apr 21, 2008....

  How am I a troll, my statements may be controversial to your standings but thats cause you just start jumping on the pedobashing wagon and wont listen properly what I have to say, besides there were numerous times that my statements were relevant, besides I was never posting to get an emotional response out of anyone I just wanted to say my points and debate it like normal human bengs. Im not trying to force my views on anyone, I just keep insisting on points that you and a few people here keep ignoring or interpreting differently from how I meant it. Im sorry if I offended anybody but I just tried to show my views and defend my beliefs.

• biglove said on Apr 21, 2008....

   

  He lay me down on his bed reassuring me “This is what people do when they love each other.” His hands, three times the size of mine, move across my body cupping my budding breast. I move his hands away and say “I don’t like that, please stop.”

  “But you will like it, relax, I would never hurt you.” He tells me in his parental voice.

  “I’m scared.” I tell him, but he continues his exploration of my tiny body. “I said I’m not going to hurt you, now trust me.” he demands. His hands move to my legs and try to squeeze between them. I use all my strength to keep them tight, but he is stronger and pushes them apart.

  “I don’t want too, please.” I beg.

  “You don’t know what you want. You’ll like it, I promise.” And he places my hand on his crotch. “See how much I love you.” He whispers in my ear. “If you love me you’ll do it.” He says.

  He climbs on top of me and pulls my panties to the side and before I can say another word he is inside me. My young body is not ready for such an intrusion and the flesh rips inside me as he moves in and out of me. I cry out in pain “Shhh” he scolds. His body is so heavy on me and I can’t move to breath. His eye closed, sweat dripping on my face, he looks like a monster. When he is finished he rolls off of me and I can finally breathe again. He grabs a towel and places it between my legs to catch the blood pouring out of me and says “The blood means you’re a woman now. Did you like it? It will be better the next time.”

   

  Deus, so is this informed consent? He told me how much he loved me and how much I would like it. He manipulated my reasoning because I didn't want to disappoint him. See, that is what kids want to do, they want to please the ones they love. People like you distort that love and use it against them. How is that truely informing them so they can make a choice. Most kids can't even choose what character on TV they like more, what makes you think they can choose to fuck you? In that moment in my life every shred of innocence of taken from me, it was stolen by someone I trusted and said they loved me....and like it or not he is a Pedophile and you are no better than he is.

• vacantmind said on Apr 21, 2008....

  biglove...if Deus shows back up he is going  to tell you that he is different because he would have stopped when you asked. He doesn't get it...because he lacks empathy and remorse for his actions and he is in denial about being a child abuser. He has manipulated the word pedophilia so each time he is called that it represents something completely different from its intended purpose.
  He will never understand the damage that was done and is done even if a child says yes. He will never understand that years later that damage will still be relevant to that person's life. This is the sick mind that abused you as a child and abused me as a child. You've seen it before...did that person understand they were hurting you? Did they care? It is the same here.
  I am walking away from this post...but, just wanted you to know that I support you. I just don't see any reason to argue with this guy anymore. He has already proven that he fits the medical classification for pedophilia with what he has posted here.

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 21, 2008....

  No you two both lack the basic ability to differentiate between a rape and consent.  Sorry he really does win this time.  Though pedophillia is still always wrong.

• biglove said on Apr 21, 2008....

  I agree vacant, I'm walking away too. Thanks for your support ;))

  Sean....piss off!

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 21, 2008....

  ROFL.  Not my fault you're an idiot.

• vacantmind said on Apr 21, 2008....

  Sean...you and I have had this discussion already. I don't totally disagree with you. But, Deus is talking about children any age...now an 8 year old can't give consent. Which is what I am getting from him. An 8 year old doesn't understand the consequences of sex.

• vacantmind said on Apr 21, 2008....

  Sean...I also wanted to state that I don't think you are advocating pedophilia. My understanding of your view point is that you believe that at a certain age a person should be able to consent to sex and that age is slightly lower than 18. I am guessing 14 but, I don't know that for sure. But, at least in this age range they have an understanding of what sex is and the risks invovled. Though I personally don't support this view.

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 21, 2008....

  And I clearly said that pedophillia is wrong.  8 year olds fall under pedophillia.  Also the girl in that story clearly didn't give consent.  In fact she did quite the opposite. 

• DeusExMachina said on Apr 21, 2008....

  Biglove, all I can say is I hope that guy suffers for what he did, I really cannot express the sadness I felt reading that story, I actually started crying, but thats because that man is a monster as soon as a girl would tell me to stop I would do so and Ive always done that in the past, true pedophiles are also in control of what theyre doing, and that guy is a plain monster. Im truly sorry for what happened to you.
  
  vacantmind, all I can say is I feel nothing but remorse for bigloves story you have no idea how many times ive heard stories like that and everytime  I hear them they bring me to tears, I just cant stand the pain these children have to  go through, but like I said I would never do any thing to hurt a child (like penetration I know that is physically impossible thats why I would never even dream of doing that to a child).
  I can agree on one thing thogh vacant Im also leaving this post if I need to hear another of those kinds of stories I dont know what it would do to me, plus I dont like when people keep ignoring what I said.
  
  Sean, thanx for kinda trying to see my reasoning you came closest, if you dont like pedophilia thats fine, atleast you respected my views.
  
  I just hope that some day the worlds eyes would open.
   
  

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 21, 2008....

  No I don't respect your views.  I think your sick and need help.  I just think that a lot of the statements that have been made against you clearly don't apply to you.  If you're out there touching girls who haven't gone through puberty yet there is something wrong with you and you should get help.

• silverwhisper said on Apr 22, 2008....

  sean: a child cannot give informed consent! you know that!
  
  ed

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 22, 2008....

  To be honest I don't really believe that a child cannot give informed consent, I mean the first time for anybody they can't give informed consent because they simply don't know.  The fact is that a child just knows so much less and they do deserve to be protected.
   
  But my point was that the girl in this story didn't give any sort of consent.  She wasn't tricked into consent in the form of some new and exciting game.  She was clearly denying consent.  Using this particular case as a defense is shoddy.  It's rather like pro-lifers attacking partial birth abortions or pro-choicers saying what if the girl was raped.  The reality is that neither situation happens often enough to be an important part of the discussion.
   
   

• biglove said on Apr 22, 2008....

  Deus ~ You keep telling yourself that you are not like that if it makes you feel better. The guy in that story thinks he is a "child lover", he also doesn't think he did anything wrong. He actually sounds a lot like you. No more really needs to be said on this subject because obviously we will never agree.

  Sean ~ have you ever talked with anyone that was raped or molested as a child? Trust me, that story is all to familiar. Your thinking is ass backwards, but thats on you. I'm over this subject!

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 22, 2008....

  No, you're simply not thinking.  Raped is one thing it is a separate issue from kids who were molested.  You are comparing apples and oranges here. 

• silverwhisper said on Apr 23, 2008....

  sean: your comment re: informed consent appears to contradict itself.
  
  ed

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 23, 2008....

  I'm not sure the proper wording for it.  While informed consent is important and required (though to be fair I think you could argue that no virgin is capable of giving informed consent) that aside you there is still consent even if somebody is tricked, or drunk or drugged.  They still on some level consented.  The girl in this story didn't consent period.  She wasn't tricked, she wasn't excited, she was pretty much pressured into it and seemingly frightened.  She was raped which clearly is a different crime.

• silverwhisper said on Apr 24, 2008....

  OK, i think i understand your meaning.
  
  ed

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 24, 2008....

  I should add that both situations are both immoral and illegal just different levels of wrong and they shouldn't be lumped.

• Hans72 said on May 28, 2008....

  People who pursue children for sexual purposes are evil.  They make excuses.  They equivocate.  They lie.  They try to pretend that they are the victim.  They are, from a moral standpoint, indistinguishable from the devil himself.
  
  

Comment on "I'VE BEEN BLOCKED BY A PEDOPHILE!!!"

Currently tagged	rape pain incest sick bastards Youre mixing up child molesters with child lovers (Click to add tags below)
Tag this post	(Separate tags using commas, for example: New York, dating, vegetarian)
Your comment