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I had lunch with a friend yesterday (probably not a friend anymore) and after a few glasses of the mead tonight, i have decided to pose the following, why is it, mainly in the liberal white upper class we need to apoligize and make amends for everything wrong we have done in the past, now dont get me wrong, i am not saying that we should not learn from the past but why do we have this "collective guilt" when in fact we were either not even alive at the time, nor have we put the event in perspective. the conversation yesterday was along the lines of making amends for slavery, now I did not own any slaves, my parents, grandparents etc etc did not own any, in fact i would venture that my family, being Irish catholic suffered more under brtian's penal laws of the 1700's than any black person did in theUSA as a slave. but i regress, the point being how do we hold today's generation that has no relation to that time period accountable for what happened. if I was to take someone to court today and claim that thier gret great great grandfather did my great great grand father wrong by today's standard (not the standard of the period) i would be laughed out of the court room. yet we continually appease people who have a tenous if not unprovable realtion to the actual event in question. not only that but we seem to be selective in the guilt we choose to assauge, we speak of the holocaust, a disicipable event yet we remain silent on the over 20 million (more than the 6 million) that died during Stalin's reign, we beat our chest in angst over what measles did to the native americans yet we utter no complaints over what typhus did to native south african during the boer war. we yammer about terrorism yet remain silent on the millions of dollars that came out of the USA via NORAID to support the IRA. So is this collective guilt selective, is it just a political tool to gain votes or is it a attitude that we have been conditioned to accept in place of personal responsibility.  In fact i would present to anyone a question, how can they  explain the chest thumping, bleeding heart, tear filled speeches regarding the plight of certian groups yet remain silent on the plight of Irish Catholics, who as late as 1982 had to declare thier religion on employment applications, were restricted from firearm ownership, had a perecentage of population restriction on social housing and assistance, were segergated in district (defined by religion) social housing and as of yesterday with over 80% of the population have been denied a seat on the council that regulates law enforcement and industry in Northern Ireland.
 
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  • crybabylu said on Mar 02, 2008....
    Usually I can sit down and ponder what to say in one of your blogs, but you hit me in so many areas, that if I answered you right now on any of them, I would eat you for lunch!.....Or is that...eat your lunch?  Whichever, you blatant disregard for the suffering of every people you mentioned in this blog is very disappointing..LOL
  • Cussane said on Mar 09, 2008....
    CBL,
     
    Where in the post do I disreguard anyone's suffering, what i did was question all of the people who seem to pick a "flavor of the month" cause and asked them to justify it in the face of other issues, which in my opinion were a worse blight on humanity. I also questioned why we have this "guilt" for things that we had no control, no input, no determination in. no where did i say we had to ignore it or forget it, so go ahead, eat me for lunch, but answer the questions and save the liberal platitudes
     
    Cussane
  • LtCmdrWorf1 said on Apr 11, 2008....

    Cussane,

    ,

    I’m going to try this one more time.  Do you know what liberals in this country talk about?  They talk just like you.  They say things like, “The past is the past, let’s forget it ever happened and move forward in to the future.”  While conservatives, and I count myself among them, know that the problems of today are rooted in the past, and must be dealt with before we can move forward.  Now, I’m not putting myself in the same league as right wing nut case conservatives whose sole purpose is to bash democrats, I have more than half a brain. 

     

    Now, four generations ago the Irish in this country, and right here in this city, New York City to be exact, may have had it a little worse than blacks, and I stress may have.  I remember one St. Patrick’s Day talking to a man in a bar.  His comment to me was, “My grandfather owned your grandfather, which was highly doubtful, but after we straightened that out he went on to tell me that when his grandparents lived in this city they were treated like dirt.  White people wouldn’t let the Irish walk their dogs because they thought Irish people would give their dogs fleas.  I could go on about the history of the Irish her in New York, but the sad thing is over time the Irish were easily excepted because they had white skin.  Therein lies the problem that we have.  The color of skin, not how hard you work, entitles whites that didn’t own slaves to privilege that they have for no other reason than that, thei skin color.

     

    Now I’m not talking about what the British did in Ireland, nor am I shrugging it off as not important, but what we are talking about is here in this country.  And baby let me tell you we have come a long way, but we still have a long way to go.  Peace and Long Life to you.

     

    Love Worf              

  • LtCmdrWorf1 said on Apr 11, 2008....
    I'm going to subscribe to you Cussane.  I want to keep my eye on you :)  peace and Long Life

    Love Worf 
  • Cussane said on Apr 17, 2008....
    Ah Mr. Worf, welcome to the Cussane blog,  a couple of issues for your reply,
     
    1. Maybe the liberals in your country talk like that but in my country, liberals simply whine about everything, tax and spend and try to apologize for every wrong committed since christ went on the cross.
    2. You may be refering to what is going on in the USA , but I was specifally refering to both Ireland and Canada
    3. Where in any of my blogs did I mention anything about forgetting the past- NO WHERE, what I refer to is the collective guilt for things that people had no way of controlling
    4. I have no problem "dealing" with issues, however the trend lately has been to dealing with the color/race and not the event
    5. Me a liberal, well that goes to show that you dont know me, nor have you read most of my blogs
     
    Cheers
     
    Cussane
  • LUCKY13 said on Apr 18, 2008....

    Look up the word liberal.

                          now look up the word conservative.

    read and decide which you truely are.

  • LtCmdrWorf1 said on Apr 19, 2008....
    Cussane, It's true i have not read most of your blogs, and I do apologize if I've gotten things wrong.  It would appear by your detailed reply that I have, and for that I apologize.  I wold like it though if you could explain to me what you mean by "Color and not the event." In this country the color and the event are linked.  Wow, I really think I've misunderstood you.  Peace and Long Life

    Love worf
  • Cussane said on Apr 19, 2008....
    Lucky, I know what I am, dont have to look it up, cant read anyway, lol,
     
    Worf,
     
    When I say color not event, we seem to have a whine fest when we deal with issues where the difference between the two is pronounced by the color of people's skin. we have had terrible events occur just in the last century which in my view make slavery, racial devide seem minor in comparison (Stalin, Tito, Burma, Ireland, Adi Amin, Pol Pot etc), yet we seem to turn a blind eye to it as they are of the same color or seemed to be just not worth the effort to do anything about.
     
    A perfect example would be how the west treated south africa during the 80;s with trade bans, exclusion from world events etc, yet we all see what is happening in zimbabwe, yet all we seem to do is make excuses for our lack action, and the difference is one is a white regime and one is a black one, yet both are evil and corrupt.
     
    So do we concentrate on color, or concentrate on humanity???
     
    Cussane
  • LtCmdrWorf1 said on Apr 20, 2008....
    Cussane,

    We concentrate on humanity.  lets not forget Serbia, and the rest of  the former Yugoslavia, after Tito  either.  I'm not saying that we should overlook any one's bad deeds.  And I'll tell you some thing else too, I'm sick and tired of  people of color, my people, using slavery and white privilege as an excuse to not succeed.  What I am saying is that in this country, the United States, we need to have serious discussion about white privilege, and more specifically white male privilege because in this country that is where the evil has dwelt for centuries. 

    Now what you have is people saying what's the big deal, why can't "We" Just get over it and move on.  Many of the people saying this  have been  here for maybe two generations, and say they had nothing to so with slavery. Granted they did not, but if they came from a European country they have benefited just because of the color of their skin.

    Look, I'll be honest with you.  For a long time I didn't understand why the British and the Irish didn't get along.  In my view at the time it made no sense because both groups were white.  I do have a better understanding of the problem in Ireland, but I will never truly understand until I go to Ireland and talk to someone whose family has actually lived through it for generations.  For me to walk into that situation without understanding what has happened before would make me just as guilty as people who come here and say what's the big deal.  Peace and Long Life

    Love Worf 



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