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    I think that I have officially given up on everything. I just don’t care anymore. I really don’t. I’m stuck inside a prison I created for myself. No one understands what it’s like inside there and they never will. I’m sick of relying on other people to keep me afloat. All it does is prove I’m weak and can’t do anything for myself. I’m nothing. I’m just taking up space in the world with my pointless to desire to exist. I don’t belong here and I never did. There is no meaning. All those times I spent searching for the reasons, and I’ve come to the conclusion that there are no reasons. I have no purpose. And there will never be answers. I’m selfish and needy and self absorbed. I expect people to drop their own lives and their own problems and cater to me. I hate that I’m like that. I don’t want that to be me anymore. I’m tired of the self pity. I’m tired of everything.

    I’ll never be the person everyone already seems to think I am. That person is gone. I don’t think he ever existed in the first place. He was just a figment of my imagination. Life goes on all around me, and I just sit and watch it. I don’t want to be a part of it. I don’t want to drag any more people down with me. I don’t want to exist solely to be a burden on everyone around me. But I know that’s what I am. It’s all I ever was. And it’s all I can ever be. I thought for awhile that I had a real chance at a normal life. That I could actually become the person everyone else thought I was. But I can’t. It’s too hard.

    And no one is ever going to understand any of it. I just want to disappear. I wish I never existed at all. I just want it to all be over with. I quit. I don’t want to try anymore. I just want to fall asleep and never wake up. Maybe that might hurt some people but how can it hurt them more than I already do? Every single day I exist I hurt everyone with my own pain. It’s all I can talk about. It’s all I care about. I’m relentless in my desire to spew my crap to the world as if they actually give a shit. But who wants to keep hearing it? I certainly don’t.

    I’m sick of being the person people whisper about. I know they do. I know they look at me and see a person who needs to be ‘handled carefully’. He’s ‘special’. He’s ‘different’. He needs extra attention and care, so be gentle with him. Fuck that. Fuck being the one everyone handles with kid gloves because I’m so fucking pathetic they’re afraid to break me. It’s not that hard to do. Look at me wrong and I’ll break. And don’t think I don’t know what the world thinks of people like that. If another well meaning person tells me to grow the fuck up and get a backbone, I’ll scream. Do you think I haven’t tried that? Do you think I like being this way?

    I’m tired of people who don’t even know me making assumptions about me too. I’m just plain fucking tired of people in general. Especially the ones who pretend to be supportive and nice and then turn out to be wolves in disguise. And I know they’re snickering at me behind my back, just like everyone else. Talking about how I need to toughen up and stop taking things so seriously. Fuck them. I wish for them that they had to live inside my head for a week. Then maybe they’d understand. Maybe they’d get the pain I live with. Maybe they’d understand that there is no escape from what I am. Or who I am.

    And I know that even the people who do honestly care about me, talk about me behind my back. They feel helpless. They feel confused. They don’t get what’s really wrong with me. And how could they? But that’s why I just want to spare them. They feel helpless against who I am and my very existence is nothing but heartbreaking for them. How can I live with that knowledge? Every single day I’m surrounded by people who either ridicule me or feel sorry for me. Every time I see someone the first thing they ask is, are you okay today? How’re you doing? Is it a good day or a bad day? Do you want to talk about anything? And I know they all mean well, but my fucking God, I feel like an idiot all the time.

    I wish no one knew about my illness at all. I wish I had died all those years ago when I took too many pills. I didn’t try to die that night, but I wasn’t exactly trying to live either. I didn’t care. And I remember when the realization hit me that I was probably going to die, I was okay with that. It felt good. It felt like a relief. And instead of being happy that I pulled through and survived the ordeal, I was disappointed. That’s not something I’ve ever really told anyone or even admitted to myself. But that’s how I felt. I was disappointed.

    But I kept thinking there had to be a reason I was still here. There must be a purpose for me that I didn’t know about yet. And that kept me going. It made me want to try harder. It made me want to work really hard to be something else other than what I was, just so I could see where life would take me. But now I see that there is nothing at the end of the road. I have everything I ever I thought I wanted, but it’s not good enough. I’m still broken and empty. I’m still hollow. I’m still a mess. I’m still nothing.

    And that’s all I’m ever going to be. Nothing.

    But at least I know this now. I don’t have to try anymore because there is no point. This is me. It doesn’t get any better than this. It never will. And right now I feel like just crawling into a cave and staying there forever. If no can see me, they can’t hurt me. And I can’t hurt them either.



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  • PAPERBACKWRITER said on Mar 01, 2008....

    I understand it so much.

    (((hugs)))

    paper ~
  • PAPERBACKWRITER said on Mar 01, 2008....

    You are something to me thorn.

    I am sorry, you are hurting so much.

    I am so sorry you feel this pain.

    Do you know that I always wait for you to post.  That I always hope you will write something to relieve me of my pain.  To tide me over another day.

    I am in a difficult stage of this new wave of depression. 

    I told myself the last time, when this happens again, I will just fucking kill myself.


  • blackthorn28 said on Mar 01, 2008....
    God Paper....how I know what you mean. I don't want you to fucking kill yourself. I don't want me to do it either. But sometimes it's just so much. It hurts so much. And I want to help you be better, because I want someone to win this. But I don't know how to help you do that, when I can't do it for myself. I'm so far down right now that I don't know what to say to anyone. But please just hang on with me okay? I don't know what exactly we're hanging on for, but I just know we have to do it. You mean something to me too. And I'm sorry you feel what I feel. But if we feel it together maybe we can keep each other from doing something stupid. Hang on with me....
  • the_infernal_optimist said on Mar 01, 2008....
    Are you alone at home right now, Blackthorn?
  • Mr_Box said on Mar 01, 2008....
    I don't know what to say to you to make this better. But I do know that you can't give up. I know you want to. I know you feel like you already have given up. But don't.

    I know this isn't the first time you've been in a place like this. That dark place. You write about it all the time. And you're still here. You always get out. And you will again.

    And Paper, you too. I read your comment. I don't want to see either one of you talking about fucking killing yourselves. I'm serious. 

    I can't pretend to know what you're both feeling. But I do know that there is still light at the end of the tunnel. And it's not a train. Promise. 


  • blackthorn28 said on Mar 01, 2008....
    Infernal, I'm alright. I'm sorry I scared you. I'm not alone anymore.

    Mr_Box, your right that it's not the first time I've been here. But the scariest is part is that it won't be the last either. That's why I'm tired. It's endless. Just when I think I'm safe, I'm not. But I'm trying to hold on. I'll be okay someday. Just not right now.
  • PAPERBACKWRITER said on Mar 01, 2008....

    I am sorry Mr_Box.

    I PMd thorn, and I apologized for seemingly being dramatic.

    I was so moved because the words are what I have been trying to put together for days.  But I cannot focus because the chemicals in my brain are making it jello.

    I don´t know how it is for blackthorn but it is helping me "silently" scream on the screen that I want to end my life.  It shakes me.

    But I don´t want to inspire anyone to do so either.  God forbid.

    I can´t go around screaming it naked in our neighbourhood, I am still too sane for that I guess.

    Now my brain is tired, and I have completely unmasked, and unshed myself here. . .pardon me thorn. . .

    But another day survived.

    Thanks for your concern and admonition Mr_Box : )

    Gute nacht

    paper ~

    p.s.

    thanks friend, i will hang on...and you don´t have to be strong and prove yourself healed. . .i wish that for you though, more than anything else. . .but i rejoice each time you come here and write, instead of suffering alone in your head. ..

    (((hugs)))


  • Mr_Box said on Mar 01, 2008....
    Paper, no apologies necessary. Not to me. I just don't like see people hurting so much. Especially when I know there isn't anything I can really do for them. 

    But if I didn't say anything, I wouldn't feel right about it. I just wish for you and Thorn to both get well. 

    And you can both say exactly what you need to say to release the thoughts from your mind. As long you don't act on it.

    Everyone will get through this. Somehow. You guys stay strong.
  • Never_Mind_The_Quality said on Mar 01, 2008....


    I don't know alot about depressions.
    I've been depressed every year at the end for at least 20 years.
    A few years ago after my wife told me she wanted a devorce, my dad  died.
    Some time after I suffered a burn out and got depressed.
    It took a year to say, "I can work again." But I knew I wasn't the same.

    I can't say I know about how you  feel. But I was there for a while.  
    Tonight was a low point in my relationship with my Sweet Love.
    And when I wanted to go to bed, my heart was racing and my lungs couldn't breathe.
    So I lay in bed. stayed on line, made up with My Love and read your stories.

    I just want to say.

    Black Thorn, I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for what you did for me
    when I wrote about my thoughts as in "When a Man Loves a Woman".
    How helpless I felt towards my girl. And how you made me feel when you wrote
    I was on the wright track. Being someone "from the other side".
    So thank you, and, I'm here for you Thorn.
    Still not knowing how it is, but feeling less helpless, because of you, dear friend.

    ~Quality

  • Mamie said on Mar 01, 2008....
    hiya friends, I just want to send this (((( hug))))) to everybody in this conversation. It is dawning on me...that RIGHT HERE is one of the purposes for your being here Black...so even in your suffering you are reaching others who suffer in a similar way...what other credentials can allow you to really KNOW what needs to be said. For that reason alone...keep writing it out. They need you and so do I. No pressure, but how great is that?
    Mamie
  • gingersoul said on Mar 01, 2008....

    Black...i agree with Mamie....right here....in all your posts is the possible purpose you are looking for. Talking about the beast is living inside you and therefore helping other to open up and talk about their own beast.

    its really something. And here no one knows you so no one has expectation that you had to satisfy.....we dont handle you with care..

    We, I, simply respect your pain, listent and accept you and hope you wil make thru this dark tunnel you are in.

    {{{hugs}}}

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  • seawitch said on Mar 01, 2008....

    If you're not hurting, you're not alive. Sorry, that's reality.

    And why shouldn't people talk about you behind your back? What makes you so special? Everyone talks about everyone else. The important thing is to not give a damn.

    I run into jerks and assholes every damn day of my life. And while I'd love for them to inexplicably and spontaneously burst into flame in no way that could ever be connected to me, it's not happened yet. It won't get you their respect, which is what you really want - they'd be dead. And besides, you'd never run out of them. They're everywhere.

    Life is totally unfair. Remember that. Get used to it. And don't expect instant changes - they don't happen. Change is a long, hard, slow process that takes forever.

  • GrapeKoolaid said on Mar 02, 2008....
    You are not alone in this world.  Everything you do has consequences.  To every action, there is an equal reaction.  Even though you may feel alone, you never are.  You are intertwined in a vast web of interpersonal relations and powers that are generated from external sources that tell you how you should feel, think, what is acceptable, what is not.  You can't just simply turn yourself off and not expect to affect any others.  Your life is not meaningless.  Those that touch your sphere of influence.  More importantly, the ones spheres of influences that you touch, will be affected greatly, profoundly in your absence.  Some may say it is a selfish thing, but to be honest, that would take far more courage than I could muster. 

    I wish you strength and inner peace to calm the seas....

    grape. 
  • blackthorn28 said on Mar 02, 2008....
    Paper, we've already talked and you know that you're free to say whatever you have to say. A silent scream is necessary sometimes. And I'm glad that my words have helped you at times, because yours have helped me too.

    Mr_Box, we're both hanging in there, I think. I'm at least trying to.

    Quality, you've embarked on a journey with your love that isn't ever going to be easy. But you've done everything right, I'm sure. It's hard to understand people like us. We push those we love away, but not because we don't love them. It's because we love them so much, we just can't bear to hurt them with the way we are. I don't know if it makes sense at all, but that's how the mind works. I'm just very glad you two made up and the love story can continue on.

    Mamie, I hope that what I've written has somehow helped, because mostly I wasn't sure if I should write it at all. Thanks for your support.

    Gingersoul, thank you. I hope that I can make it through the dark tunnel too. I'm trying.

    Sheltercrow, I watched the videos. They were funny. I actually laughed, so thanks for trying to cheer me up. Sometimes watching other people's stupid antics makes me forget for a minute about my own.

    seawitch, well thanks for that pep talk. Life sucks, get used to it? Obviously I've tried to but I seem to have a little trouble with that.

    Grape, I suppose my existence does affect people more than I realize. But sometimes it's hard to recognize that fact. I'm trying though. Thank you.
  • dyingman said on Mar 02, 2008....
    Dang, Soulcast is a depressives magnet.
    Take some meds bud.

    I swear I'm the total pill pusher here on Soulcast.
    I take none myself, but I've seen what they can do for those "nothing is worth doing, why do I live" types.
    If they don't work, you're no better off, and if you've tried one, try a different one.  Each affects different neurotransmitters.

    If you've tried three different ones and none have worked...apologies.

    The other possibility is all the help gets you down, maybe you need to help others... passing it along makes one feel entitled to the help you need.  If you've done that too, more apologies.  Anonymous people are so nosy and know-it-all, aren't they?

    *DM

  • vestra said on Mar 02, 2008....

    You make me cry......your words have so much pain in them and I wish I could understand how you felt. I know no one would wish that sort of pain on a person, but I do wish I could feel it so maybe I could understand it. And if I understood it maybe I could know the right way to help.

    But you do have a purpose in this world. Everyone does. Even if it's to brighten one persons life. If you did not exist I think that alot of people's worlds would not be the same. Their world would be empty without you. And if you feel weak, it's ok to lean on people who are stronger because they can take it. You cause them more pain by shutting them out and trying to spare them.....

    Yes it hurts to see a person you love hating themselves. But it hurts more to be shut out and not be able to help or to even just be there with them to make sure they are ok. Not knowing is much harder. And losing you entirely is not an option at all. Despite what you were feeling it would not hurt the same amount as it does to watch you suffer. It would hurt much much more to those who love you.

    The pain you feel now is exactly the pain you'd inflict on others if you ever did something to hurt yourself. And I know you would not want that would you? I know you were desperately sad when you wrote this.....I can only hope that the feeling has subsided a little and that you are seeing things more clear now......

    alis grave nil....dum vita est, spes est

    (nothing is heavy to those who have wings....where there is life, there is hope)

  • Trinov said on Mar 02, 2008....
    Hi, I don't know if I can say anything that can help you. I know that I've had moments of severe depression myself, and I've often wondered how much more pain can I bear? but each time, when I am facing death, and I've faced the angel of death of few times because of illness (including cancer and miscarriages), war, violent people I mistakenly tried to help etc, I fight like mad to stay alive. And when I get depressed again, I wonder: why.

    I guess the last time that I was depressed, and was pushed to the very edge of my tolerance by certain conditions, and the 'black lights' as I call them ,were coming physically between me and this lifetime, I just said no! I'm not going now, what can I do to get the strength to stay on? And I called my oldest friend and explained to her where I was at, and she pulled me through. I've helped her in heavy circumstances, I don't feel bad in asking her to pull her end too. Maybe that's what we are here for, to help each other.

    When I was a very little girl, I heard a Midrash (a homily, educational story) on a religious radio show. It described the people in Hell :They were all sitting at a table filled with food but they could not eat because their hands were chained. And it described Heaven, they were all sitting at a table filled with food, and their hands were chained, but they were all eating!!! How? Each one was able to feed his neighbor.

    I could not have been more than four when I heard this story, but it is always there in the back of my mind. We feed each other, we care for each other. We are all 'chained' --we are all vulnerable, and there is nothing wrong with asking for help, any more than it is wrong to give help.

    And in my tradition, it is said that the one who receives charity is helping the one who gives charity, for 'giving charity saves from death'. And charity can be in words and actions just as well as money. The fact that somebody helps you, helps him or her.

    I don't know where you are holding religiously, but I haven't the smallest doubt that there is a Creator and as I say everyday, "He knows every thought of man". And there was a Righteous Man (the Rabbi of Breslev) that we should talk to G-d everyday, and tell him all our troubles, and not be embarrassed to tell even the pettiest of things which happen to us {if you say to me: if you are so religious how can you be depressed? well, because damnit, from where I am sitting the world seems so screwed up sometimes, when I know how beautiful it could be, and I've sometimes said to G-d, if this is my life, then I must be so impossible that even you can't love me, so maybe I should just be erased. But fortunately, He doesn't take me seriously} For you see, G-d the Creator owns us and everything in this world, and He had a purpose in creating every one of us, and even if we think that we are not helping the situation, we are not qualified to understand. For example, I once complained to my Rabbi, : why is it that I always end up working for the most impossible, irrational, insane, dumb, ungrateful people, and he said : "Nobody else but you could stand working for them". Hey, that's a different perspective. I get the crap since I can swim in it, and others would drown. So even when I think I'm drowning, I'm still breathing.

    And many times it is the very sick man who becomes the healer, the dyslexic who becomes the best teacher, the most vulnerable who becomes the real helpful therapist. Or the deaf man who paints his music in colors. Oh and one more thing, you said that you live by "Don't say anything if you can't say anything nice." Well that was my grandmother's most favorite saying, and a rabbi once told me that it was a special Chassidic saying, of the Chassidim or followers of a very special Rabbi who never could see any evil in anyone. So if you live by this saying, start with yourself. Don't put yourself down, don't talk badly or think badly of yourself.

    How do you know that by taking your life--that you might be taking the life of the one person who could save your whole family, your whole neighborhood, or that kid who is the next Dr. Salk or the girl who'll be the next Aretha Frankland (and her songs were once what saved me in some bad times) or the next rocket scientist or the nurse with the most healing hands who will save hundreds of premature babies etc. Hey, guy, you can't know.
  • blackthorn28 said on Mar 02, 2008....
    dyingman, unfortunately I have tried way more than three different meds and I have problems with most of them. Side effects and things that I can't really control. My body hates them. But I am taking a few things, and they provide relief at times. But no cure. Your second bit of advice actually is good for me though. Helping someone else does help me, because then I'm forced to stop thinking about my own crap, and focus on them. I'm not always this 'I don't want to live' either. Thankfully, or else I probably wouldn't still be here.

    vestra, I read your comment several times. And yes, I feel better today. Not perfect, but much better. And I know that everything you said was true. I will remember it all. Promise.

    Trinov, thank you for your heartfelt and helpful comment. A lot of what you said really resonated with me. And I was told by someone else too that I'm denying other people their destiny to help others if I push them away. So I should embrace the help they give, because it's for them just as much as it is for me. And you're right that I should practice my motto on myself. If I can't say anything nice about myself, I need to keep my mouth shut entirely. If only I could! I guess I worry much more about hurting others than I do myself. Which doesn't make sense, I know. But I'm still here. And today is a new day. I'll keep going.
  • Pontius_Pilate said on Mar 17, 2008....
    If you ever find a way out of that cave, please let me know where it is?
  • blackthorn28 said on Mar 17, 2008....
    Pontius, I feel better now. But you know, I have no idea how I got out. It just happened. But for how long, I don't know. I hope you can find your way out too.....
  • renaedarlene said on Mar 25, 2008....
    People.....well they will put on you what they fear in themselves.  We all suffer to some extent, but pointing the finger at you is their weakness...not your weakness.  It takes them away from their own pain.  Perhaps it is you that should feel sorry for those that patronize or ridicule you...it makes them feel better in their own sick way.  You - you are courageous.  You have come face to face with your own demons, your own pain, enough to agonize over the reality of what you fear.  Most people hide from that, because life is full of cowards.  But you, obviously, are not one of them.  You are not afraid to say what you feel, what you fear, what pain you experience.  Backbone is definitely something you hold as a quality.  The question is, now that you have come face to face with these doubts of the importance of your existence, what are you going to do with it? Pick one thing, one little thing to do every day, that makes you feel good.  Pull a weed.  One weed. Plant a flower. Cut your toenails.  There, you've done something.  Your soul will grow from that.  And as you grow you will find that people do not define YOU.  You define YOU.  YOU have backbone or you wouldn't be in this position to know how you actually do feel within yourself.  I know that ignorance is bliss, but there are enough ignorant people in the world, pride yourself in not being one of them.  You can only become the best of who you are, by acknowleding and working through your own pain.  You are on your way, please don't give up on yourself now after you've come further than most.
    renaedarlene

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