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I wanna know, who was it that associated the concept of love with the concept of happiness? Personally, I blame Mother Goose! She (he)'s the one who, in all those fairy tales, ended the character's plight with a full fledged romance, and the words 'and they lived happily ever after'.
 
Somewhere down the line, the word 'happiness' became a definition of the word 'love'. Not that it's in the dictionary, it's much deeper than that, it's in the American psyche. How many people, including myself, have been without a romantic partner, and thought 'if I just had someone to love, someone who loves me, I'd be happy'?
 
But if you're over 21, most likely you've been in love at least once. How happy were you because of that love? How miserable were you because of that love? And when it was over, did you go right out and try to find someone else to love, thinking once again, 'if i could just find someone to love, who loves me, i'll be happy'?
 
Well, in my opinion, love does not make a person happy. Sure, there is happiness to be found with love, but one does not equil the other. At best, what love does is alleviates lonliness. But it doesn't always do that either, does it?
 
We humans are constructed with an inate desire to be a part of a 'couple', and that sentiment is supported day in and day out by the entire world society. So we 'feel' deep down inside like we're not 'whole', not 'complete', somehow less than other people, if we're single. And we're bombarded with that ideal daily by commercials, by friends who say 'are you dating anyone?', by mothers who say 'I want grandchildren'. How can one stand up against such pressure?
 
But here's the danger of this phylosophy. It causes us to look for our happiness in that other person. And when they don't provide that happiness for us, we experience disappointment, lonliness, dispair. And then we can start to blame that other person for those feelings because 'if they would just treat me like they love me, i wouldn't feel like that, so it's their fault!'. Now come on, you know that thought has run through your head, and more than once! Ane when we are angry or disappointed with that significant other, do we ever remember or even think about the times they made us happy? NOT!
 
So I am no longer looking for happiness in love. Companionship? Yes. Comfort? Sure. Support? Of course! Not to mention sex. But happiness? No. No longer will I attach my expectations of happiness to another person, because it is just not their responsibility to provide it for me. And it's not my responsibility to provide it for them. Besides, I know from first hand experience, that it doesn't matter what I say or don't say, what I do or don't do, I cannot make another person happy. It is their choice whether they are happy about what I do or not.
 
So no, my life isn't controlled by Mother Goose. Love and romance isn't like the fairy tales. Love, for me, is more about learning to accept the other person for who and what they are, how and what they do, and then deciding if that's the type of influence I want in my life.
 
I'm removing the word 'happiness' from my personal dictionary's definition of the word 'love'.


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  • MsImmortality said on Feb 23, 2008....

    Hi Travelr...Good topic and I bet you get many different viewpoints on the subject.  Although I tend to agree with much of yours, there is something to be said about how Love can bring happiness too.  If it didn't, we wouldn't want it.  I feel love triggers our most intense emotions of happiness, sorrow, grief and sadness.  Love doesn't always have a positive affect on our lives.

    With that said...anyone who has read books on the subject and/or been to therapy will attest to happiness being found within oneself.  Expecting our partner to fulfill our happiness (otherwise our life has no meaning) is a tall order to ask of someone, not to mention insecure and needy.  IMO I think it becomes a burden of a sort to the other person and dooms the relationship. 

    What many people fail to realize is...if your not happy without a partner, then there is something unbalanced in their own life; they need to work on themselves before getting into any relationship.  I know this first hand as well, and it is no fun to walk on eggshells around your spouse/SO in fear your doing something wrong to cause them unhappiness.  This is the sort of thing that leads a person to cheat or simply want to get away. 

    I remember my ex seemed to feel whatever was troubling him, he wanted me to fix.  It was like dealing with another child. 

    So, my take on this is... TRUE happiness comes from self love FIRST.  Happiness is NOT created but complemented when we are in love.  Otherwise, we wouldn't feel the sadness it also brings when they leave. 

     

  • MsImmortality said on Feb 23, 2008....
    Oh yes...and Mother Goose is in the fairytale section and rightfully so ;-)
  • destinydiva said on Feb 23, 2008....
    you once told me, that being with the person you love doesnt solve all your problems...  but it makes them easier to deal with..   if stuff is easier to deal with then your happier right?? or at least...less unhappy??

     :-) xx
  • allswell said on Feb 23, 2008....

    trav...I not only need to beleive but want to beleive that love is the souce of happiness...otherwise i would be happy right now without it..right?   In a way i'm hopeing it will save me, i feel like depression is really trying to get a hold of me and i'm really trying to fight it! I want someone to come into my life and make me happy, make me feel safe, make me....feel like everythings going to be ok. That would make me happy...so yes i do beleive that  love is the source of my happiness. I wish it wasn't but it seems like that's my only hope...so here's hopeing love will find me soon, so happiness can....

    alls:) 

  • Lucytorial said on Feb 23, 2008....
    Is it that men truly are immature and just don't get things until like really late in life???

    Love or agape as I like to refer to (agape being without constraint) not eros or philos but agape is not linked or reliant on anything else but a union of souls without constraint or responsibility, love just is.

    happiness! well now thats such a stupid word, its taken and tossed about so often that its true meaning is lost.  Happiness stems from interacting with our world, people in our world our self worth, our values, our growth and the way in which we enrich our lives and others.

    To have both happiness and love together??? well I for one want to aspire to that, it is a hope and desire to find because when both are in our lives the world becomes magic! 

    Did you also know that love cannot survive without inner happiness? did you know that happiness will thrive with love?

    Did you also know that love can blind you with pain yet you can be happy at the same time??

    Lifes a great fucking roller coaster isn't it? a mystery ride?
  • crybabylu said on Feb 23, 2008....
    Oh, I thought you were gonna say someone unsubscribed and you wanted to know who did it?  One time I did a blog on that, and I usually try to subscribe back to the person who subscribed to me so I usually at least notice the number count so I will know if I need to hunt to see if I am already subscribed or not. I went to bed one night and the next morning I had two less, so I  titled it "All Right, Who Done It"" Glad you aren't as shallow as I am at least you blogged on an importnat like love and inner happiness.....:}
     
    I agree with you in what you are looking for in a lasting relationship. Love can be kind of fickle at times, I think the points you made were excellent.
  • lfbno7 said on Feb 24, 2008....
    Love and crying seem to go together.
  • dyingman said on Feb 24, 2008....
    No argument.

    Love is protection or promotion of someone or something to the point of sacrificing something of more tangible benefit than you hope to gain by its presence.

    It sounds irrational.  Many would argue it is.

    You may or may not enjoy loving something, so your dissociation of happiness makes a lot of sense.  Ive seen many people blow thousands of dollars in medical bills on a $100 pet and hate themselves for it.  Abused wives invest so much in their husbands and this irrational bond continues the process despite their sense of logic telling them to stop.

    *DM




  • travelr712 said on Feb 24, 2008....
    ms - yes, that's more or less what i was gettying at, if you're not happy yourself, love won't make you happy.
     
    des - maybe less unhappy... sometimes.
     
    alls - well, not to be argumentative but, you were in love, did that love make you happy?
     
    lucy - seems like you and i see love about the same, huh?
     
    cry - um yeah, i wouldn't write on someone unsubscribing to me. who is and is not is their business, not mine. personally, i've found love to me more than fickle, you must be one of the lucky few.
     
    lfb - yeah, don't they?
     
    dying - the one thing love is NOT is rational. the other thing is logical! :-)
     
     
     
     
  • Mamie said on Feb 24, 2008....
    hi Travlr, I am not sure if anyone else said this yet, but your theory is fine except that you forgot to double back and talk about love and happiness of self. The truth is that you cannot take step two:
     Love, for me, is more about learning to accept the other person for who and what they are, how and what they do, and then deciding if that's the type of influence I want in my life....
    until you recognize and reconcile with love of self first....or lack of it. It is true that your own happiness originates with yourself and that no one can make you happy. It is also true that if you choose unhappiness within your own heart as the way to go, then no manner of living and no greatness of a person will seem to be enough or even worthy of attention by you. Resolve this first and all else becomes naturally happy, naturally joy filled. Then your personal dictionary will be filled with all sorts of fabulous words!! Good luck!! mamie
     
  • travelr712 said on Feb 24, 2008....
    mamie - well, there was allot that i didn't cover with this post, because if i tried, it would have been so long that nobody would have wanted to read it. plus, i expected that others would come with their own perspectives and fill in the gaps, as you have so elloquently done. all in all, what you've said is what i was getting at, so thank you for adding that element to the discussion :-)
  • Mamie said on Feb 24, 2008....
    of course, kind sir!! enjoy this day...I hope you have something fun planned with your little man! best, mamie
  • evil_twin said on Feb 24, 2008....
    I've had a huge problem with this in my life. Because I do expect that love should make me happy. And it does. To a certain extent. I definitely get great happiness from being in love and being with the person I love. But I did come to a realization at some point, that I was still missing something. And that's because I didn't particularly love myself. I expected that someone else could give me everything I was lacking, and that's just not possible.

    I'm learning. But it's not exactly an easy thing to remedy. But I do think that if you're in love with the right person, it will bring you happiness. Just not TOTAL happiness. That has to come from within yourself. But I wouldn't go so far as to say I'd stop equating happiness and love together. They should go together. As long as you're not relying on the other person to keep you happy. But they should definitely be a part of the feeling.

    -evil_twin LA
  • travelr712 said on Feb 24, 2008....
    thanks mamie, i think it's gonna be a lazy day, i've gotta finish that paper for my research methods class next wednesday. i'm 7 pages in, that makes me 3/4 done. ever try to write 12 pages on global warming? I'M DYIN HERE!!!!! :-)
     
    et - good to see you my friend, i've missed you. and i hear what you're saying. i'd go further to say that if you're not happy at all with the relationship you're in, there's something wrong with that relationship, whether it's in you or in the other person.
  • evil_twin said on Feb 24, 2008....
    I know, I haven't been around too much lately. I'm starting to get back into the swing of things, but I'm really behind in commenting. I probably won't ever catch up :-P But I totally agree that if a relationship doesn't make you happy at all, something must be wrong!

    -evil_twin LA
  • travelr712 said on Feb 24, 2008....
    so just start from scratch dude, and don't worry about the rest. no one else will.
  • allswell said on Feb 24, 2008....

    trav... without going into to much detail... my love story was different, i loved him because i felt i had to, i made it happen..it didn't just happen out of fate. I think because of that i was never truely in love and therefore i was never truely happy. I want to know what it's like to really be in love so for once in my life I will know what it's like to really be happy.  At least that's what i want and really need to happen.....

    alls:)

  • travelr712 said on Feb 24, 2008....
    i wish you luck in finding that alls. i really do.
  • allswell said on Feb 24, 2008....

    Thanks trav...I hope you find what your looking for too.

    {{hugs}} alls:)

  • Lucytorial said on Feb 25, 2008....
    Thats cause you are my brother... trav I always see you as my big bro how weird is that.... well not weird I think its cool actually!
  • travelr712 said on Feb 25, 2008....
    thanks alls. i'm not really looking, so finding it should be easy right? :-)
     
    lucy - hmm, i didn't know that. yeah, it is kinda cool :-)
  • GracefullyGrowing said on Feb 25, 2008....
    Trav - you already know what I think, but everyone else doesn't, so I'll just join in on the conversation here - in general.
     
    Happiness is an expectation.  Unmet expectations are the source of disappointment more than just about anything else we deal with on a day to day basis.   When we are "in love" our expectations are SO high!!  And then, the honeymooon is over - but the expectations rarely come down to earth without adversity taking place.  However rational or irrational it may be we start blaming another person for not making us happy. . . when our expectations of the other person are not met by them - as you basically said above.  And we ALL do this, to some degree or another.  There's a flip side to this as well.  Some do not have high enough expectations concerning love and happiness in it - that creates it's own problems just as hard to deal with.
     
    Happiness is a pursuit, not a given. One expectation I think people have of happiness in love is that it doesn't have to be WORKED for/toward, nor do they remember it must be maintained.  I see people think happiness should just - happen. OR - they see that it takes effort, but think that a modicum of effort is enough, and then it still should. . . just happen. 
     
    ~Grace~
     
     
  • Lucytorial said on Feb 26, 2008....
    grace... fer fucks sake do you always have to be so damn right! no wonder you do what you do, you're good at it aren't you... go on tell me I'm right  you're good hey!

    LOL
  • GracefullyGrowing said on Feb 27, 2008....
    Lucy - Thanks.  You made my day. =) 
     
    ~Grace~
  • silverwhisper said on Feb 28, 2008....
    well said, grace. :>

    being happy is, to me, at least partially a decision--after all, if grace is right, then we consciously have to make the choice to pursue it, don't we?

    honestly though, i don't think i could ever be happy without love. it's for me a very big piece of the pie.

    ed
  • starchini said on Apr 04, 2008....
    wow.  ok trav now i know what jessi was talking about.  Yup i 100% agree with you and i wrote something quite similar about a week ago, except urs offcourse is much more coherent and better written : )

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