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Well, since I can't comment to your blog since I am blocked from it, but you wanted to know.

Yes, you are a piece of shit as Trav, put it.  Soulcast would be a far, far better place without you.  You are a vile, hateful, repugnant person. 


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  • GracefullyGrowing said on Feb 15, 2008....
    Please, count my vote in with yours.
     
    ~Grace~
  • JoyousLoving said on Feb 15, 2008....
    Mine too.
  • rupert7 said on Feb 15, 2008....
    I

    if you don't like her..fair enough! There are some people here I DON'T REALLY LIKE BUT i DON'T ABUSE THEM,i LEAVE THEM ALONE!

    SC would be a lot better of without all you unpleasant trouble makers! This was a good site a year ago! I think it is reasonable to term your comment abusive speech.Foul mouthed even. Decidedly distasteful!

    Why do you keep attacking her? Can't you find something more constructive to do?

    Your statement is reprehensible. This relentless harassment of a person because you don't like their opinion - which she is perfectly entitled to express by the way. There are things here I don't agree with or like but I don't relentlessly and aggressively persecute the  author of same! Its called freedom of speech and you should be ashamed of yourself,you and those like you!Your countrymen died to protect your freedom of speech,you should respect and uphold every single persons right to that! Look - I am not perfect,in fact I have a lot of faults,none the less,I think I am a decent human being. My sense of decency is greatly offended. Thrower of stones! - how dare you - how dare you speak in this disgusting manner! Who do you actually think you are? Just leave her alone!!

    I said something you don't like so I suppose you will attack me next? I am aware of the clique. Hmm...what else can I expect??
  • Zayda said on Feb 15, 2008....
    Rupert--Hottips asked for people to tell her if they thought she was a piece of shit and if they thought she would leave. The only thing BW is doing is answering Hottips' own request. But she's doing it in her own blog because Hottips has her blocked.


    Perhaps you should understand the context of the whole situation before you attack someone yourself.

  • Beautiful_Wreck said on Feb 15, 2008....
    How dare, I speak in this manner, Rupert.  She asked us to. See for yourself; she asked in her own blog to be told if people thought she was a piece of shit and should leave Soulcast.

    How about you ask her to leave everyone here alone; to leave all the people she has treated reprehensibly alone.

  • solamente_me said on Feb 15, 2008....
    Well shoot, I was going to create my own post as well since she too has me blocked, but since you started one. I'll add my vote here, since she so kindly requested that we tell her.

    Yes, Hottips, you are a piece of shit.  You have done nothing but cause trouble at Soulcast. You live for the trouble you  make. And although I don't believe that you will actually leave as you say you will if people really think you are that awful, I am adding my vote.

    Soulcast would be a much better place if you left.  You are disgusting. You are reprehensible.  You are vile.  In other words, as Trav said, you are a piece of shit.

    Begone.


  • GracefullyGrowing said on Feb 15, 2008....
    Yes, Rupert, everyone has the freedom of speech.  It's a basic human right - I'm sure you and I agree on this.
     
    There ARE other laws of freedom put into place that are also basic to human rights.  Those are laws against slander. 
     
    I, as gracefully as I have learned thus far to be, ask you to please consider that many of us are 1) protecting ourselves against slander; 2) Defending our honor against lies; 3) Trying to squelch slanderous rumors and twisted "Yellow Blogging" with truth.
     
    While I love and *respect* that you just want things to go back to being what they used to be at SoulCast, I say to you the freedom of peace does not come without fighting for it, and without the death of something.  Even at SoulCast.  I recall a time when you yourself were unjustly treated with contempt, and that you too had a justified response to it.  If you do not wish to join the war, I totally respect that.  But I would implore you to not attack the ones fighting for freedom from tyrany whose purpose is obviously to poison the water supply. 
     
    ~Grace~
  • ronin said on Feb 15, 2008....
    I post even less than BW. But I read a great deal of blogs here. And post sporadically.

    Yes, Hottips is a blight on this site.  Yes,  she should go.  Soulcast will be far better without her.
  • Zayda said on Feb 15, 2008....
    Oh, and in case my comment gets deleted off her blog, since I am, for some strange reason, no longer blocked on Hottips blog despite her repeated declarations of how much she hates me and what a bitch I am:


    She is a piece of shit, as Trav said. Yes, Soulcast would be far better without her.
  • Zayda said on Feb 15, 2008....
    Ahh, so now votes only count if they are in Jessi's own post. Thereby she can control who votes since no one she has blocked gets to vote. And, of course, because I made the mistake of actually voting in her thread, I am blocked again. I should say that it's really a badge of honor to be blocked by her.


    Which, of course, means Grace was right. Hottips will never leave Soulcast because she thinks that all the people who dislike her are really one person. Apparently, we are all either me or Silverwhisper.


    Oh, and for the record Hottips. You are so wrong about the rental thing that it's not even funny. Just because someone rents an apartment or house doesn't make them white trash. We, for instance, rented because we didn't want to immediately buy in an area we just moved in to. Honey, I will never be white trash. The verdict, however, has come in on you Hottips.
  • solamente_me said on Feb 15, 2008....
    Of course she is only going to count "votes"/"comments" if they show up in her post. You have to play by her rules and no one else's.  It's her way of validating what she does. This way, she can keep people who are blocked from saying she is a piece of crap, and then she can say "oh look, people really do like me". 

    She's a narcissistic little bitch.
  • MyHeartAches said on Feb 15, 2008....

    Zadya,

    I don't think you need to defend yourself on the "renting", or anything else as far as Hottips is concerned.

    I tried to help her earlier this week, but she doesn't want to be helped.  Rather, she wants to "pick", "bitch" and "complain" about all who disagree, or refuse, to be victims in her little game.

    I agree with Grace, too. She will never leave.  She will continue to attack and then block users who disagree with her. And then bitch and moan about how there's no "freedom" of speech her.

    FYI - I've been blocked from her post as well. 

  • GracefullyGrowing said on Feb 15, 2008....
    Blockage.  Yes.  A favorite tool of the imperialistic.
     
    ~Grace~
  • silverwhisper said on Feb 15, 2008....
    BW: i trust i needn't state my opinion? :>

    rupe vomited:
    i think i am a decent human being. my sense of decency is greatly offended. thrower of stones! - how dare you - how dare you speak in this disgusting manner! who do you actually think you are? just leave her alone!!

    rupe, you're a complete and utter hypocrite of a scope utterly breathtaking to witness. you were quite happy to make fun of "hottips" two weeks ago or whenever it was. where you get off criticizing someone for doing something you yourself have done, i neither know nor care, but make no mistake: it's absolutely hypocritical.

    we don't like one another and i'm eminently OK with that, but spare the rest of us your massively misplaced moral outrage, hm? b/c it's crap.

    how dare you attack someone w/out knowing what's going on? how dare you dare to wax morally superior?

    ed
  • JoyousLoving said on Feb 15, 2008....
    Whoo I have now been blocked from Hottips - and I never even cursed at her, just voiced my reasonable opinion lmao.  This is my first block.  I'm excited!
  • JoyousLoving said on Feb 15, 2008....
    "Unfortunately I agree with Zayda and Trav.  You've treated so many people here so badly and hatefully, including myself, that I have a hard time believing that anyone can trust anything you say and actually wants to have a friendship with you.  But you've brought these opinions on yourself.  And I think you are absolutely lying about leaving.  No matter how many people say they think you should go, I really don't think you are even considering it. "
    In case she deletes it this was my response of Hottips blog.
  • hottips4u said on Feb 15, 2008....
    : I said all was welcome to cast a vote...not flame my post...thats why your on block again zayda....I forgave, but being white trash that you are...you had to take advantage of something free...hehe  a true comic book character you truly are...hehe

    Ronin...ahhh yes...been over a year you ve been silent, whats a matter...afraid to use your screen of late and always ...lol, to much.

    Solowmeant2b :  Again, haven't spoken with you or whats called Beautiful Wreck for that matter in what...over a year ?  But how many and often in that year have you each attacked me ?...lol   Transparent ...yes, very.

    Rupert :  Now there is a man I haven't been friends with, haven't conversation with....haven't fought with... but even he can see what is happening...the good, the bad and the ugly are revealing themselves, thanks...we should have been friends long ago I can appreciate honesty and integrity even when against me for just cause.  Thanx for standing up for the rights of Americans who haven't the courage or intellect to understand Rupe, a patriot ...and a man.  Soulcast could use more like him, imo.

    Finally, piece of shit  ?...surely you folks can come above prison or street slang ? Can't you ?  I mean, say what ya want, but at least be the writers you claim yourselves to be, that is simply....welll soooo travelr...  : )  infantile even.

    Have fun, but like I said...in 12 hours...I will keep my word, you may not like what I say...but its the truth.

    HoTTipS4U

    Jessi
  • Zayda said on Feb 15, 2008....
    No, Hottips, what you actually said was:

    Hottips quoted:

    so just in case you missed it, jessi, or whoever it is that's really behind that screen name, you are a piece of shit, and the sooner you are gone from this site, the better for everyone on it.   (this is hottips quoting travelr)

    Now if this is the majority opinion of me, tell me now and every single post I made will be deleted and I will be more than happy to leave. That simple.  (this is hottips)

    You said if this is the majority opinion--meaning if the majority think that you are a piece of shit, which travler said earlier in the post you quoted only parts of and thought SC would be better off without you.

    I wasn't flaming; I was merely giving you what you asked for.  My opinion that you are a piece of shit. Actually, you are lower than that.

    LMAO.  I'm sorry but for you of all people to call me white trash is hysterical.  And pathetic. 

    And if you are only counting the votes that are your post, then unblock people who can't vote and let them vote, then bloc them again.  That's the only fair way to do it.

    BTW, if you think Silver is such a vile person and is a sexual predator like you constantly claim him to be, why the hell did you subscribe to him?  Pathetic attempt to track him or is it you stalking him?

  • Beautiful_Wreck said on Feb 15, 2008....
    You're right Hottips, I haven't talked to you--on your blog--in a year. But I have most certainly responded to you in other blogs.  I have been blocked on your blog because I, like others, spoke out for freedom of speech and against the accusations you and Cam were slinging of anyone who didn't agree with you being a pedophile.

    Oh, and since you have had me blocked, let me return the favor. Consider yourself blocked, bitch.
  • Thechildwithin said on Feb 15, 2008....

    I have now been blocked.

    I did cast my vote that she should GO - but I'm sure, like all the others, she will delete it.

     

  • Zayda said on Feb 15, 2008....
    And let's face it. Most people here won't actually go vote on her blog anyway. They are too afraid they will become the next target of her insane ravings about people being pedophiles. Besides, she's yammering on about people posting porn on this site for children to see when she posts pictures of her own almost bare ass. Hypocrisy at it's finest, folks. That's merely one of Hottips games.
  • hidufel said on Feb 15, 2008....
    Personally i dont appreciate the way hottips is treating folks around here, i would however never suggest or agree she should be invited to leave... this is a place for folks to commune, and yes even for the intransigently hostile folks. and id hope iggy should be enough.


  • Zayda said on Feb 15, 2008....
    Hidu: Just so you know, she's the one who wanted to know if we thought she should leave.


    And yes, this is a place for folks to commune. Sadly, SC doesn't have a true iggy feature like many forums do.
  • hidufel said on Feb 15, 2008....
    zayda, yeah i am aware she initiated the leaving bit...

    i am just commenting on the idea that people should be invited to leave, which i dont like.  i guess its hard to seperate the two ideas in this case.
  • ronin said on Feb 15, 2008....
    Hottips:  You are right, I haven't posted a blog in  year. That doesn't mean I haven't been here in a year. Therein lies your fundamental flaw in logic.  I have been here. I have read, observed. I've paid attention to your actions--yours, cops, cam's, woomraider's.  I've seen the pattern in what you do, how you slander anyone who disagrees with you. 

    Heck, I've even commented here or there on other's blogs.  I haven't on yours because I have seen how you delete just about anyone who disagrees with you.  Except for Travler's comments--for awhile anyway. He would disagree with you, but unlike the norm, you didn't delete or block them at first.  But that was your way of just playing with him.

    I've seen you go after I don't know how many people that do agree with you.  I've seen you label anyone who stands up for free speech and the right to post links (links---not pictures like you posted) to sexually explicit pictures as a pedophile. 


    I've seen you accuse people of lying; you drove off a lovely young woman who shared her story of rape because you said she was a liar and then your supposed father-in-law (or whatever it is you would call him) started in on the poor girl too.  I've seen you accuse a mother who just lost her child of lying about the whole thing because she didn't react the same way you did when you lost your child, as if everyone would react the same way you do.

    I've seen you look down at people who don't own their own homes because they made a choice to rent--a choice.

    You are a virus that spreads it's hatred and ignorance through Soulcast, and unfortunately, you have infected others with your inanity and stupidity.  Soulcast is not the place it used to be a year ago, that's for sure. And the bulk of it's problems stem from the way you, copsunited, and camdaman have treated people and the way you continue to treat them.
  • travelr712 said on Feb 15, 2008....
    "Now if this is the majority opinion of me, tell me now and every single post I made will be deleted and I will be more than happy to leave.  That simple."
     

    you're right jessi, i didn't say that in the way i should have. what i should have said is that you're a LYING, CONNIVING, MANIPULATIVE PIECE OF CHICKEN SHIT. thank you for the opportunity to correct myself.

    now, i say lying, because you have publically stated that if a majority opinion wanted you to leave, then you would. you have had 1 person who has said you should stay, 1 person who attacked beautiful wreck for answering your question, and 14 people so far who have told you to FUCK OFF. so i would say the votes are in my dear. you are, in the opinion of the majority of bloggers on this site, a vile, insensative, and totally UNNECESSARY piece of shit, and we all want you to leave. so live up to your word JUST ONCE in your pathetic life, and do so. that simple.


  • Shameus_O'Patrick said on Feb 15, 2008....
    Shamus O., here.
    What a rousing discussion. Some for - Some against... And some of those for or against one thing, are for or against another persons reason and saying their piece. it's like a TOWN HALL meeting. Not many things are better than that. Don't ya Love it.
    It's my opinion, that without Hottips4u and her ways... Regardless of how vile, distasteful, even slanderous some people find them, without her - who is the next you will rally against?
    It's usually my way to let a person be what they choose to portray themself to be. If my comment/s to them about it upsetting me don't make a difference in their behavior... I ignore them. It's my choice to continue feeding their need for whatever it is they are after, or to IGNORE them.
    Concerning the right to say what you feel. I don't have to agree or like what is said, but I do have to respect the right. If I don't, it will be lost to me for not protecting it.
    What you guys do about this is up to you. Myself... I'm honestly enjoying reading the thoughts being exchanged by those people that took the time to make them. And it's all because of what one person, that got all of them going. What would you be doing without people like Hottips4U.
    I say she stays if she wants too. Full of shit or not.
    Shamus O'Patrick. USN Cambodia 1966-68 ; SoulCast a few months.
    BTW SC does not have any restrictions on what is said. That's why I joined up.
  • Suddenrain said on Feb 15, 2008....
    Shameus, did you also read that she asked for these oppinions? Hottips is loving all this attention. I often wonder...was she planted here to make things more exciting to more amorus people that may check out the site? Is she/he making money doing this? Can any "one" person be this vile and disgusting in real life? Is she not serving a purpose of some sort whether it be to herself, the owners of this site, or to people who need to vent and release? We are amusement. Bees buzzing around an invading hornet. Wouldn't you be curious to watch the death of the hornet? If Hotlips leaves, it's because another is on it's way. Right Hotlips?  I am betting that's your plan if you don't renig and decide to stay. Hmmm...what new name don't you already have?
  • Zayda said on Feb 15, 2008....
    You do realize, Shameus that Hottips deleted the comment you made on her blog the other day because she thinks you are an alt of someone else on here. She responded to it, accused of you being someone else, and then deleted your comment and blocked you.


    And you know, it's not that we don't have really good discussions here on Soulcast. There are ways to get them going without slinging shit like she constantly does.
  • Lucytorial said on Feb 15, 2008....
    Shameus, here here.. and before you go telling me all the things she said to me or about me Zayda I don't really care.  I'm not voting her out.  Simple as that I may not like a lot of stuff that she says but also I don't like a lot of stuff OTHERS here say also, I respect that fact they say it, they are saying it how THEY see it. Are our sensabilities so weak that ones words can do so much harm to our egos?

    I have had many conversations with her over the last few weeks that I have actually enjoyed that have had NOTHING to do with anyone else here at all, quite enjoyable conversations.
  • RollingC said on Feb 15, 2008....
    It really boils down to having the drama and the insults stop.  If she,he or anyone that does it, would dedicate as much time to being friendly and creative, they might find themselves being very popular and make this place even better.
    :^)
    Rc
  • RollingC said on Feb 15, 2008....
    Darn P/C hiccups !      :^)
  • travelr712 said on Feb 15, 2008....
    tell ya what rolling, if she stops threatining me and my family with federal prosecution and flaming anyone that disagrees with her, then i'll stop. but as long as the people on this blog are willing to let her say anything she wants about anyone she wants and do nothing about it, then that means it must be perfectly fine with the people on this blog that i say whatever i want about her whenever i want. or is hottips the only one who is allowed to say a harsh word here? and let me just point out to you that i left this site and stopped posting, commenting and pming to everyone here, but she did not stop her unprovoked attacks, the last one on a woman who is struggling with the death of a child. so if you're willing to support jessi's right to attack other people like this without provocation, and without even her greatest antagonist being here, then you should have no problem whatsoever when i express my opinion of her character and her actions. after all, fair's fair, right?
  • bluegum said on Feb 15, 2008....
     i vote she stays.i think sc should sin bin you if you attack someone personaly.
  • GrapeKoolaid said on Feb 15, 2008....
    Hm, a flame war...  Didn't miss that...  Missed a lot of things about this place, but flame wars?  Not one of them.  Not even close. 

    It's a really big internet out there.  There's all kinds of stuff out there for all interests and tastes.  No sense in getting all worked up over the printed word(Ah, but the power and abuse of it...  How could you resist?)  Download a pirated movie.  I heard about some zombie porn the other day.  There's like midget porn, and amputee porn, too.  Whatever you're interested in, it's out there, available for you to rub one off, if you need to.  Or better yet, how about some exercise?  Go toss the ol' ball around perhaps?  Turns out the real world is even bigger than the internet!  Imagine that?  Who'da thunk it?  What's next?  Who knows?  Perhaps you can even find a zombie and make a porno movie. 

    I obviously have no idea what's happening here, as I haven't been around much.  No offense to any of you, it's just that I was finding out that there are other things out there.  Of course, I check in once in a while, but nothing's really grabbed me as of late, you know?  So I can honestly say that I missed this whole thing.  Probably better off, too, from the looks of it. 

    So then why am I sounding off here and now?  Expecially (yes I am aware of the spelling error, it was intentional) when I have no stake in this what so ever?  Once again, I'm sorry to say that it has very little to do with any of you and entirely with me.  I'm procrastinating on an unrelated project.  See?  I'm kinda self-centered that way. 

    So here's what I have to say on this whole kit'n kaboodle.  I know many of you are holding your breath.  :D

    I have known Zayda to be insightful, thought-provoking reasonable, and never filled with such disdain as I've seen on this thread.  To which, I can only conclude that Hottips must have said or done something horrible.  To which, I can only reply, "Shame on you Hottips!  Shame on you for behaving exactly as everyone expects you to!" 

    I have to wonder about the motivations of a person who's "clearly"(emphasis mine) the victim here.  But that's always been me, too.  A big ruiner. 
  • travelr712 said on Feb 15, 2008....

    from hottips posts:

    *******************

    Destiny, Crater, has ED !

    Destiny, you make a post using my name as your headline,....what you are no longer a fave here ?....lol Use my name all you wish---coward ! Attention whore, Posers ! lol

    As you'll recall ole ed takes a leave (w/ his musings ...hehe) and a n...
     
  • travelr712 said on Feb 15, 2008....
    oh, and jessi, if you can dish it out, you better be thick skinned enough to take it, don'tcha think?
  • Lucytorial said on Feb 15, 2008....
    this is in aid of what? if we want to read it again and again trav we can go to the post/s


  • Suddenrain said on Feb 15, 2008....
    This is all a game. A simple mind game.
  • travelr712 said on Feb 15, 2008....
    well, as i have said several times lucy, if it's allright with you that jessi says things like this about me and other people, then it should be alright with you that i say what i want about her, right? if she is to have total immunity on this site, then so must i. if she is able to state her opinions, change people's comments to say something other than what they originally said, and flame anyone who disagrees with her, and you congratulate her for doing so, then you should congratulate me for doing so to her, right? i mean, after all, she has taken several of my comments and put them in her post, which appears right under this one, and that's ok with you, so why is it not ok with you that i do the same? is it because she's a woman, and thus has your support to treat anyone and everyone any way she wants, but because i'm a man, i must hold my tongue and show respect?
  • travelr712 said on Feb 15, 2008....
    and sudden, this isn't a mind game, at least on my part. in fact, i'm doing exactly the same thing that jessi has been doing since she came back here. i'm 'holding up a mirror' to this place. i'm just asking for the same right that has been afforded to her, to say anything i want about anyone i want, whether it is truth or fabrication, without fear of reprecussion. so how is that a mind game?
  • rupert7 said on Feb 15, 2008....
    Silverwhisper - You just admitted disliking me. It was not always so..You unsubscribed from me when you realized that i know what you are. Thats why you dislike me ...because I know. You use tactics of ingratiation to curry the favor of the new members of SC. You are  what is known as a "super ego." you are a back stabbing hypocrite. A sactimonious scum bag! Extremly cunning. I have been informed of some of your activities. You dislike me because you know I know. This has nothing to do with hottips, in deed you would be shocked if you knew my sources,which you never will. I was mis guided about hottips a while ago,but having come to know her,see that she is nothing more than outspoken,which she has every right to be,even if it upsets the almighty silverwhisper! YOU are the biggest offender here,cloaking yourself ,hiding what you really are. In YOUR humble opinion nobody should be here unless they are your lap dog! Your "yes" man! I suspect that in the real world you are an utter  nonentity....a nothing, so you compensate with your airs of all knowing superiority here! You strive to poison every new blogger...and you are very good at what you do.......The ultimate master TROLL!

    YOU have no fear....I am leaving NOW and will not read or write any more....quick - get this deleted before anyone see it!
  • rupert7 said on Feb 15, 2008....

  • travelr712 said on Feb 15, 2008....
    if anyone had any doubt as to what started this latest round of 'flame wars', i am copying this from rupert's post, written by the last woman who was a victim of jessi's 'snarky' comments, the post that inspired the 'soulcast help' post.
     
    ***********
    MyHeartAches said about 10 hours ago....

    Rupert,

    Please don't go because of the drama going on with Jessi.  You have such a good heart and I know you hate to see anyone get hurt.

    I have also been blocked from her post, and quite frankly am offended that she was so hurtful on MY blog.  Her accusations and attacks are hurtful and whild I truely believe she herself is hurting, I tend to not believe anything she comments, types or says. 

    Read her posts.  How many people has she attacked?  How many negative and accusatory things does she say?  She is obviously a VERY unhappy person, and I TRIED to reach out to her, to no avail.

    I will no longer try- she doesn't want help.  She wants to attack others to make herself feel better, for reasons I don't understand.  My patience is gone, my tolerance level for her *shit* is now zero. 
    How dare her say how I should feel, or comment about my loss in a negative way. 

    If you go, I will miss you.  You are a good soul.

    MyHeart

    ***********

    obviously, myheart did not take jessi's comments as 'snarky', or 'a good argument', she took them as a personal attack, which as anyone who read jessi's comments can tell, they were intended to be. now, here is my question. is jessi to be allowed to attack a woman who is just here to find a little solice from the death of her child with total impunity? is there no one to stand beside myheart and say NO, THIS IS NOT RIGHT, SHE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO DO THIS, NOT HERE! if the people of this site do not stand against this behavior, it will continue. if the people of this site support the person behind these unprovoked personal attacks, they will continue. if this is the type of behavior that is acceptable to the people of this site, then i say, rupert, you are right to leave. i am sorry to see you go, but in that case, this site is no longer worth your time.

    i do not, and never have, had a personal vendetta against jessi. i do however, have a sense of indignation when anyone is allowed to treat others in the manor she does, and like her, have no qualms about speaking my own mind on that matter.

    i did not start this. but i did speak my mind. i do not have a 'gang' to support me. i have made no contact with ANYONE in this matter. the opinions that i state are MINE ALONE. the fact that there are others who state similar opinions are just that, THEIR opinions.

    so, we have come to the point of a choice. and the question is, should people of this site be allowed to say whatever they want about and to whoever they want, or is there to be a semblance of decorum here, a measure of basic human kindness? if it is to be a free for all, then i should never hear another comment from ANYONE, including jessi, about what i say. if it is not that, then she should be held to the same standard that i am. and if i am to be labeled a trouble maker for standing up against such blatent harassment, then so be it, label me that, because i know i have stood for my principles. and one of those principles is that NO ONE who comes to this site suffering such grief as myheart, should be subject to such attacks.

  • crybabylu said on Feb 15, 2008....

    This has absolutely nothing to do with the vote that supposedly is going on here, but I have a question to throw out here....Ever since I posted to my blog titled; "Why I Sometimes Do Offensive Posturing" I have had four people "unsubscribe" to me...some of which actually shocked me because I thought they were more "unjudgemental" and "forgiving" than that, and I held  them in high esteem and still do even though I am disappointed in their attitude towards my candor, and others are just flat out ignoring me and my comments like I am a "non-entity"

    I haven't figured out if it is because I spoke up in defense on that blog on behalf of hottips or if in defending her, I outed myself by admitting I too have flaws and make conversational "misteps" around here, or what, but I will add my 2 cents here for what it is worth. Doubt if it is even worth 2 cents, but I will offer it anyway.

    I have nothing but love for everybody here. I see all of our flaws, we all have them, but that is what makes us all unique and interesting. Some I like better than others, and some I have downright affection for.

    It hurts when people you care about get ugly things said about them. ..Ever since JR, myself & Duke came, and now Cindylu, all of us real people, none of us "alts"......[ I do have one ALT--named ivorylace, but wasn't intended for an alt...I wanted to change my username and changed my mind ]....anyhow, back to what I was saying......

    Ed was almost the first  who befriended us here and he has been very supportive of us, I count him a dear friend and I rely on his wisdom and knowledge. .If this was real life, I 'd want to be his neighbor, I think he is a wonderful person who I admire and respect....I also adore Zayda with her "wit" and downright interesting blog posts. I think that these two people are a positive influence in this community. 

    I have come to feel the same way about travelr and Grace and I say that in the same sentence not two lump them together as one, but because they are equally important to me.  A couple of weeks back, I got very upset at the prospect of losing either one of them, because of downright "horrible and dispictable things being spewed at them and about them"....I was terribly distraught over it, so much that my husband wanted us to pick up and leave.

    But,  I said "no hun, I don't want to leave.  This is all about blogging and nothing else, and I will try not to take it so seriously."...  That is all I can do. I can't control what other people say or think, or write, I can just try to focus on my place here.

    Now, back to the subject of hottips:  I absolutely hated to read the words she has written about the four people I mentioned, and even though I had defended her actions in the past, I got so angered a week ago at them, I blocked her and then she blocked me back.  That is all she did, nothing else. I don't think she has targetted me or my family or done anything to hurt me.

    I don't know why she says what she does. I can't figure it out. But no one is "a piece of shit"......shit is shit and it sure isn't people....I don't think ill of her at all, I just don't understand why she says what she does. ..but, I certainly am not casting a vote for her to leave, and I hope nobody else leaves either.....I enjoy the communciation between her and I , I just don't like how she says unkind things to my friends, and that pulls at me.......

    But I'll not cast my vote for anyone to leave, I like everyone way too much for that.......

  • RollingC said on Feb 15, 2008....
    I haven't read much except lately as I've been kinda busy with life projects ( changing jobs, etc.) so I don't know about this woman whom you're talking about Trav....but you have a point when you say you got the same rights as everyone else.
    There should be some kind of overall understood decorum ( like good manners for example ) but when there's none shown and someone gets flamed....the person getting it has the right to protect and even retaliate. 
    I've much respect for Zayda and others in this community and when they speak up in unison about someone or something there has to be a reason and a good one at that.
    Rc.
  • Lucytorial said on Feb 15, 2008....
    thank you crybaby for saying what you thought, all too often it is easier to sit here and to go along with what everyone in the mob is wanting us to. (not to say that you have before, god I don't want any more mis understanding)

    We do not need to understand or agree with everyone here, what they say, how or why they say it.  We should also be able to stand up for what we believe to be our truth without someone coming along and telling us that because I don't agree with you and I feel you are saying something I don't like you shouldn't be saying anything at all.  Agree with me, be me, abide by me and you can stay, if not then leave and if you don't leave we will continually throw stones at you because of our own lack of understanding, our own lack of self respect, our own lack of integrity.

    I don't think that a community can work in any sense of the word when everyone is to behave the same way as a certain few.

    Its so easy isn't it to ignore that which you do not want to see in yourselves and to blame someone else.

    One thing to remember here folks is the fact that NO ONE can know without a doubt that EVERYONE here is being honest, truthful or who they say they are it is the internet.  Change the channel but don't throw stones at people because you don't like what they say, how they say it, why they say it.  They have just as much a right to express their thoughts as you do.

    Still waiting for those blocks. (Yeh I know I'm pushing it, so sue me)
  • sweetles said on Feb 15, 2008....
    I have been reading all these post that has shown up and gone back and forth.  Seems this travelr guy is out of control and I would agree if I had someone like that act like he is towards me I would do whatever to get that mad man off the street.  I think he is different like any crazy man is different except I think he is dangerous, and has fixed on a woman that wants nothing to do with him.  Why do I say this you may wonder, well he seems to upset about a dead of a child or baby that he really has no idea whether it is true or not, he is unrelated it seems. But he has rubbed the death of that child in the faces of everyone so many times so cruelly in front of the mother who claims she lost a baby but not once has she asked him or anyone to please leave her dead child out of this, no she joins the argument and is not acting like any mother that has lost a child, I lost a child when he was 12 when hit by a car and I know the last thing I would want is some stranger in a chat room arguing and dragging his name through all this mud. No I do not believe that story notat all.
    for all those reasons I would vote she stay.
    terri
  • travelr712 said on Feb 15, 2008....
    well, since i've seemed to have jacked beautiful wreck's blog and nobody's complaining about it, i'll continue to do so.
     
    cry, in answer to your comment, i guess the thing most on my mind is that i am looking for a standard. a 'where are the lines drawn'.  i can ignore what anyone says about me, and over the last several months have done just that, at great personal expense. and there is really only one thing i am asking.
     
    that thing is this. ignore what EVERYONE says about EVERYONE. stop the underground pm's. don't stand up for ANYONE.
     
    everyone leave everyone else alone, or stop taking offense at what anyone says.
     
    jessi's mirror has shown one thing. either you let people say whatever they want, and don't take offense, or you draw a line. but there is another thing that jessi's mirror has shown, and that line is the line of fear. yes, this is an anonymous blog, so why are so many people afraid of her and what she might say about them? i'm certainly not. and you shouldn't be either, if what you've said is true. you should be able to have the same rights as she has, as i have, to say what you feel about how she treated you and your family. and everyone else here should be able to say whatever they want about anything.
     
    you see, the thing about playground bullies is that they find the weakest part of a person and they exploit itso the person in their target will run away in fear. the thing they can't stand is someone who will stand up to them, no matter what they say.
     
    so say what you want, cry. i'll say what i want. jessi can say what she wants. and nobody will stand up for anyone here.
     
    say what you want cry, and i'll say what i want, and we'll all have a merry ole time here at soulcast. and when the attacks from jessi stop, so will i.
  • Lucytorial said on Feb 15, 2008....
    Trav, just asking mate when was the last time she posted an attack against you?
  • travelr712 said on Feb 15, 2008....
    lucy, look at the most popular post page, that's a blatent attack against me. nothing of what she said there was true. if you read what she copied from my words, you can see what i said. but the way she tried to spin it is total fabrication. so i ask you again, is it ok for her to take everything i said totally out of context and present it as i'm chasing every woman on this blog? did i try to chase you? am i the degenerate that she is presenting to you? or can she say whatever she wants with impunity? can i not stand up and say she's a liar?
  • Lucytorial said on Feb 15, 2008....
    hold on a minute she's retaliating to your attacking her first! jesus christ. don't you get it. hook line and sinker you fall into it every time Trav.

    You too have taken out of context certain things she has said trav....

    As I have said above please read it as I don't want to repeat myself my answers will always be the same.
  • travelr712 said on Feb 15, 2008....
    lucy, you've made 2 comments here. you've asked me two questions. i've tried my best to answer them. and you did not answer my question. have i ever acted inappropriately toward you? have i acted that way toward anyone, male or female?
     
    the two people in question here seem to be me and jessi. that is by my design. who have i EVER attacked except her? you? carter? zayda? rupert? who? anyone? and who deserves it more than jessi? again i say, if she can dish it out, she better have thick enough skin to take it when it is dished back to her, without lies, without edited comments, with just the facts presented. and lucy, i like you. i always have respect your opinion, because you always speak the truth as you see it.
  • secretlife said on Feb 15, 2008....
    i don't know why so many are under the false impression that those who don't take sides and join into this nastiness are afraid.
    i assure you i'm not afraid.
     
     
    - i'm not here to fight and have 'wars' with  people
    - i'm not here to make anyone feel bad
    - i'm not here to be part of a clique
     
    i come here to communicate sincerely with other people.
    i come here to express the feelings i have inside of me.
    i come here to share my experiences
    and i come here to find out what other people think and feel and are going through in their  lives - to exchange ideas.
     
    nobody gets along with everyone.
    nobody agrees with everyone.
    some people enjoy confrontation and mud-slinging - and they say they're just being "honest". 
     
    i happen to disagree with that definition of honesty. 
     i believe it's mean-spirited.
    and it's my right to disagree. 
     
    some people believe that if someone is mean and nasty to them, then they have every right to be mean and nasty right back.
    tit for tat.  
     
     i happen to believe that's a childish waste of time.  that there's really nothing to be gained in being nasty.
    i'd rather say nothing.  and that too is my choice.
     
    it's not fear or cowardice, so for those who imply that is it,  please control your egos enough to admit others might have different beliefs than you do.
     
    If i don't like what someone says here, i choose to ignore it.
    My experience is that when someone is aching for attention, and they are ignored, they eventually get tired and go away. 
     
    This is a blogging site.  And an "uncensored" one at that.
    When you sign up here, you take the risk that not everything written on your space is going to be nice.  and that not everyone here is who they say they are. 
     
    And if you don't understand that, and if you aren't willing to take that risk, then maybe blogging isn't for you.
    Or maybe you block those people from writing on your posts.
    Or maybe you decide it really doesn't matter to you what those people think, because they're nothing to you in your life anyway-  you consider the source.
     
    i left the playground 35 years ago.
    i have no desire to go back to it.
     
     
  • Zayda said on Feb 15, 2008....
    secretlife said 3 minutes ago....
    - i'm not here to fight and have 'wars' with people
    - i'm not here to make anyone feel bad
    - i'm not here to be part of a clique


    Oh bull fucking shit. While you may have become the saint of Soulcast lately, there is plenty that you have done to cause strife and to make people feel bad. And you are the queen bee of a clique here.
  • Beautiful_Wreck said on Feb 15, 2008....
    Sheltercrow--I'm sorry but you're posts with the images are simply annoying. I won't have them in my blog.

    Secret:  Some of us remember what you have done her in the past. Let's not be so sanctimonious about the strife that you, yourself have caused by things you have said and done.  Don't try to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. We can easily link to the post in Silver's blog that reveals much about your true nature.

    Travler:  Highjack away. I don't mind.

    I don't really have time to address the rest of the comments right now.
  • secretlife said on Feb 15, 2008....
    super z: true colors shine thru.
    it's no secret that i don't like you. 
    and it's no secret that you're a pitt bull.
    which  is why i've spent an entire year ignoring anything you say here.
    let's continue that way, ok?
  • Beautiful_Wreck said on Feb 15, 2008....
    Secretlife:  Take your sanctimonious self elsewhere and stay out of my blog, why don't you?  To quote you "true colors shine through".  Shall we hold up a mirror so you can see yours?



  • Zayda said on Feb 15, 2008....
    Secret: And you're still as big a bitch as ever.
  • crybabylu said on Feb 15, 2008....

    When I saw the attacks getting to the point I wanted to SCREAM! Was after a friday night when travelr wrote on his blog that he had to leave for awhile.  Then someone wrote a blog asking him not to leave, and all of us was imploring him to stay I wanted him to stay and everyone wanted him to stay.

    So after a few days when I thought things had quieted down, and travelr was back to posting, hottips wrote a blog stating that travelr had offended three women, and then things started heating up again..... 

    travelr:  I have been on your side in this about not liking stuff being constantly stirred up and hurled at you.  I don't like it one bit, that you can't seem to go anywhere around the community without something being said to try to trigger a response from you.  I thought I had pretty much stated that.

    In the meanwhile, I start reading what I believe to be untrue remarks about Ed, who I know much better than I do travelr, so again I got my back up, but tried to remain neutral, because I thought if all of us who weren't directly involved, if we just stayed out of it,  it would be worked out between the parties conversing,

    That didn't happen, it just kept getting bigger and bigger, and then a great big long blog was done about Grace, who I definitely count as a friend, who has done more to help me emotionally and psychologically here than probably anyone else besides Twyla,  Now, that almost had me spitting bullets.....

    Wow!  That was hard to take!  Grace is a wonderful, sweet, kind, caring person, and I know this isn't RL, but she has helped me in so many ways, that I don't know how I would have gotten thru my last hospital stay without her calm, comforting, reassuring words, and I wanted to strike out and chastise the person causing her distress.

    But, all I could do is try to encourage her and send her my love and kind words, because my convictions are that I do no harm to anyone!   "Dee, do no harm, speak no harm, feel no animosity, love everyone."  Does anyone know how hard that is to do?

    Trav:  you addressed part of your comments to me....can you  even hear what I am saying?......can you appreciate how I feel at all?  I feel like you are personally judging me for not speaking out and condeming and sanctioning, and dehumanizing another person, and saying we should run her out on a rail.......

  • Lucytorial said on Feb 16, 2008....
    trav, thank you for respecting me, I respect anyone who is going to say what they believe be that people I do not like, do not agree with or do not understand, what I don't do is start bidding wars on who can get the most crap on someone and sling it the farthest... dahh!

    Come on Zayda, you gonna dredge up everything everyone has ever done... its called being fucking human... let go, at some point you gotta let go of this shit! this childish shit.. people don't like you, people don't like me, I don't like everyone here either but I am not sanctimonious enough to shove it down everyones throats every chance there is telling people how to behave! what to say and what they shouldn't on what is essentially a FREE SPEECH WEB SITE JOURNAL

    Everyones now attacking secret for what she did?? what was that?? is this now going to be a dredging session for all the bad things people have done... fuck me, well lets start... go on, I'm a fucking great target aren't I...
    Go for it... lets have a group shitting session, thats what seems to be going on now anyway...

    I'm not worried about it, I'm certainly not afraid and I certainly have my own mind, think for myself and make choices as to what I read, what I frikkin believe and what I don't....
  • destinydiva said on Feb 16, 2008....
    well said lucy!!   its like zayda and silver fear anyone who see's through them.

    what pisses me off is how everyone attacked rupe here, just for having an opinion.... is everyone not allowed one? he didnt offend anyone dirrectly yet silver felt it needed to say rupe vommited  ??

    and then secretlife gets attacked for having her own mind...

    to be honest I find silver and zayda more offensive than hottips. that is based on my own thoughts, interactions and observations nobody elses...

    silvers hot phrase is 'dont listen to anything she says..she is a troll etc etc...   people witness for thems selves what goes on here, i have seen hottips be nasty, but i have also seen silver be just as nasty..  and many others be just as nasty.  its like one rule for one person another for them??

    but i dont see a list of people petitioning against them..  i know why too, a lot of us are scared too ...  look what happens when you speak up...you become the next troll...  you lose your voice because your   ' just a troll....'

    we have war because high and mighties cannot accept that we dont all think the same way... if we all just live and let live this would be a nicer place.


  • Lucytorial said on Feb 16, 2008....
    you destiny... have found your voice!  must be we are both trolls hey! *snicker*


  • destinydiva said on Feb 16, 2008....
    rollingc i hope you dont mind me copying and pasting your comment.......**I haven't read much except lately as I've been kinda busy with life projects ( changing jobs, etc.) so I don't know about this woman whom you're talking about Trav....but you have a point when you say you got the same rights as everyone else.
    There should be some kind of overall understood decorum ( like good manners for example ) but when there's none shown and someone gets flamed....the person getting it has the right to protect and even retaliate. 
    I've much respect for Zayda and others in this community and when they speak up in unison about someone or something there has to be a reason and a good one at that. ***

    this is exactly the problem here!!!  people have respect for silver and zayda and so when they gang up on anyone it is accepted and taken for granted that what they say is true and righteous....  I think everyone needs to make their own observations and conclusions ..just my opinion
  • destinydiva said on Feb 16, 2008....
    grape, you say the same thing.... I have known Zayda to be insightful, thought-provoking reasonable, and never filled with such disdain as I've seen on this thread.  To which, I can only conclude that Hottips must have said or done something horrible.  To which, I can only reply, "Shame on you Hottips!  Shame on you for behaving exactly as everyone expects you to!"

    grape and rolling c I like both of you guys a lot, this isnt towards you, just that your comments say exactly what my thoughts on all of this are...

    again..zayda must have been ignited??  I have taken shit of zayda provoked... and unprovoked

    everyone seems to think oh its ok for zayda to be a bitch because she was provoked.

    I let hottips provoke me a few times and the bitch in me came out....  I take responsibility for the nastiness I displayed towards hottips at that time, I do not need the excuse of being provoked... I hope this is making sense because I do value both grape and rollings opinion on everything.

    and shamus said "It's my opinion, that without Hottips4u and her ways... Regardless of how vile, distasteful, even slanderous some people find them, without her - who is the next you will rally against?"

    I couldnt agree more!!

    anyways crawling back under my shell before the rocks start to be hurled at me :-) xx

  • silverwhisper said on Feb 16, 2008....
    rupe: i'm sorry but all of that's utterly laughable. i neither know nor care what "sources" you may have: i know what i've said, and when, and in what context. i highly doubt you can say the same. have a pleasant existence.

    destinydiva: i won't speak for anyone else, but i attacked rupe b/c he attacked beautiful wreck. read what he wrote again. i called it precisely what it was: he vomited forth an incredible amount of hate and bile. BW's blog entry is a few sentences: rupe lit into her for whole paragraphs. so if you think that people are gonna let an unprovoked personal attack go without comment, well...that obviously isn't so.

    now, some will let that sort of thing go, and that's certainly their right: there's no judgment about the one or the other being right or wrong. that's entirely dependent upon the person.

    but just as some will remain silent, others won't.

    ed
  • the_infernal_optimist said on Feb 16, 2008....
    The reason so many people here tend to look at the reactions of a few people and say, "Well, something must really be wrong if they're so consistently up in arms about it" is because, in my opinion at least, those members have garnered a lot of respect over a long time here.

    It does say something when someone I respect, who is usually very even-keeled, responds strongly and negatively to something here. And I've been here long enough to see what's going on, and to make up my own mind as to who is dangerous/creepy and who isn't.

    These martyr attitudes are, frankly, pathetic. I dislike drama and I dislike it when people get jumped on. That said, the people I've seen attacked here have soundly brought the walls down around themselves. It's no fun to be in that position, but it was possible to avoid in the first place. It's possible to speak your mind without offending a lot of people; if you can't do that, then perhaps you should attend a seminar on public speaking so that you can better articulate your feelings in the future. And if you just don't want to do that (avoid offending people), then surely you realize that people may be offended, and that the people who are offended might say something sharp in return.

    ~Infernal
  • GracefullyGrowing said on Feb 16, 2008....

    I am trying my best to understand all of this, looking at the big picture.  I've read, and now I'm processing.  I can only turn to my philosophical side at this point, to attempt to understand it as best I can.  Here's where I am at this point . . . .

    I would re-iterate, respect is *earned.*  To get respect, one must fit themselves at least somewhat into the mold of what others perceive as respect.  Respect is not handed out like a premium to draw in consumers.  It is worked toward.  The TYPE of respect one wishes to receive is the type they work for.  

    Hottips said in another blog . . . .

    I try to be careful and subscribe to only the stout who can handle me in their yards playing...I'd stay in mine, but I already know whats there, so my curiosity tends to make me climb fences, swim in others pools, catch a nap in a hammock, maybe let their dogs out, hell might even tag all the no trespassing signs w/ hottips was here...hehe   Its just me...maybe I was a mischievous lil gremlin in a past life. Or I have road this damned saddle for the past six weeks and I am ready to dismount that saddle and try bareback once again...lol

    It is clear the type of respect Hottips wishes to garner.   Hottips is getting what they seek.  They wish to stir the pot, create havoc, and - tresspass - in the deepest sense of the word.  No amount of "hehe" and "lol" can ease the reality of the intent of this person, by their own admission.  They are having their type of "fun" it seems to me.  And they are getting - as they have stated in *various* places - exactly what they want.

    There is a difference between the type of respect Hottips garners and the type that Zayda, and Ed, and others, garner.  You're not dumb so I won't point out the particulars - since I've come this far surely you can see them for yourselves. It's obvious.

    Please, as *all* of you read this next statement, realize I'm speaking philosophically - ***NOT*** in a personal manner toward *ANYONE* ....

    If this type of "fun" has it's purpose in the cosmos,  then the only conclusion I can make is . . . then so must war, and disease, and pestilence, and everything else that is detestable to humans. 

    No, I'm not calling anyone a disease, or any other thing.  I'm looking at the picture from a "what's the purpose of all of this" and a "what are people searching for with all of this that they think they NEED"  point of view.  Please take it as it is meant.

    ~Grace~

     

  • travelr712 said on Feb 16, 2008....
    cry - this post is about taking sides. if you comment on it, you become part of that discussion. i'm not trying to tell you what to do here, i'm pointing out a simple human truth. if you become part of a discussion, you will be expected to take a stand one way or another. if you don't want to take a stand on an issue, then don't participate in the discussion. your stand seems, to me, to be 'why can't we all just get along?' to which i agree. my stand on that issue is that when someone comes along and scales other's fences to let their dogs out and write on their no tresspassing signs, to tell that person it is wrong to do that, and to tell them to stop. the only way you can be seen as not taking a stance, is to not participate in that discussion at all, that's just the way things work.
     
    destiny - this petition started because jessi directly asked for it. i expressed my opinion that this site would be better off without her. she called for a vote. people have responded to that. again i say, to you and her, if she can dish it out, she better be ready to take it. if she asks for a vote, she better expect one to be taken. and to answer your question to shamus, the next person i 'target' will be the next person who treats others the way jessi does. i will always speak out against such treatment. and i say again, when she stops, i'll stop.
  • GrapeKoolaid said on Feb 16, 2008....
    LOL..

    I retract my statement about not missing this.  I did miss this...  Ah flamewars...  Unavoidable as stepping on cowpies at this virtual ranch...

    Or Howabout as unstoppable as the monolithic bum asking for change at the train station in the city?  I say monolithic because it's always the same one bum....  He may come in many different disguises and shapes, but they're all the same one bum...  And I always give him a little something(loose change, half a sandwich, a cigarette, at the very least a sympathetic ear), because he could be Jesus undercover...  Or Buddha in a clever disguise... 

    It would be nice if it were all about flowers and candy, teddy bears and long walks on the beach.  The fact is, sometimes, it's about F-bombs, cowpies and bums asking for change. 

    Oh yeah, and zombie porn.  Have I mention that before? 

    Lastly, I'm sure many of you may have come to this conclusion already, but I am the self-proclaimed master of the obvious, so I'll just go ahead and point this little bit out.  That being:

    You can't vote this person out.  Such a feature does not exist on SoulCast.  You can't press a button and make them go away.  The admins on SoulCast have yet to put this feature in action.  They can come back any time they want to, and there's only one thing anyone can do about it.  You can block them from your own blog, try your best to ignore them.  I guess you could tag their post with something annoying, too, if you get a chance(Not to give you any more ideas, but silly tags have gotten my goat once or twice). 

    And you know those that huff and say that they're taking their ball and going home always comes back, usually with a spectacular story to boot.  They're generally harmless.  Maybe a hurt feeling here, and a bruised ego there, but mostly harmless.  It's the quiet creepy ones you gotta watch out for.  You know, the one that eats their lunch by themselves and talks to themselves.  Those are the ones that come back and go Columbine(VT, NIU, insert any other scary school name here).  You could try to befriend them if you want to, but only at the risk of your own perilous social standing.  It's all very "Lord of the Flies" here.  Do you risk getting bumped down a few pegs in the hopes of not getting shot up in the eventual fray?  Or do you make fun of that kid along with everyone and take your chances on the coming day by hiding behind a fat kid?  It's your call. 

    Me?  I sit in my corner, eating lunch by myself and taking names.  Ha! 

    Don't mind me, just talkin' to myself. 

    Sorry this went a little long. 
  • anonymous said on Feb 16, 2008....
    Don't you guys see what's been done here? This post started out as a response to Hottips asking if she should stay or go. Simple question. One that is likely pointless too. But now it's turned into an all out war between other bloggers. Half of these comments aren't even about Hottips anymore. They're are about YOU.

    Fighting over who did what to whom, ages ago. Saying that you never liked so and so and that their opinion doesn't count. It's about not trusting this person or that person. And so on and so forth. The point got lost. And that's exactly what Hottips was hoping for. This is no longer about her, but about YOU.

    Her entire purpose for being at this website is to cause trouble between everyone else. She doesn't want the trouble. She doesn't want the attacks. But she opens the door and suddenly everyone is attacking each other. That's what she wanted all along. And sadly everyone here has played into it.

    Her entire mission statement is basically to 'expose' the lies and the hypocrisy at this site. And apparently it worked. The door cracked open and suddenly everyone has turned on each other like rabid dogs.

    I'm not telling anyone they're right or wrong, simply because I have no idea what the problems are between people here. I don't care either. I'm simply pointing out how easy it was for Jessi to get the pack to turn on itself. And she didn't even have to do anything but exist.

    Game. Set. Match. Jessi wins.


  • crybabylu said on Feb 16, 2008....
    Okay, travelr.....If that is what this site is about...I vote Jessi stays....
  • Beautiful_Wreck said on Feb 16, 2008....
    Except Secret--It's not that actually really say nothing nor is it that you have actually left the playground.  It's just that your playground is behind the scenes in a network of PMs and emails.  Your playground is your little coffee klatch of buddies that get your emails.  You thought those were safe and the ones you were targeting would never know the better.  But, your little circle has a leak. Oh, they get back to people.  Yes, they do, Miss Queen Bee Hypocrisy and Deception.
  • travelr712 said on Feb 16, 2008....
    well then dee, you don't 'just want everyone to get along'. i am not the only person here who has been attacked by hottips unprovoked, and i am not the only one who has commented harshly about her. you were doing just that a week ago, if memory serves. one of her favorite passtimes is to go to someone's blog and start flaming them, so she can stir things up. so if you vote she stays, then you vote that this behavior is acceptable, and you should stop talking about everyone getting along, because she'll see to it that they don't. and you should stop decrying when i say harsh things about her, because if you support her behavior, you have no right to challenge mine.
     
    again i say, if jessi is allowed to say whatever she wants about whoever she wants whenever she wants with no substantiation or reprisal, then no one should say a thing to anyone else when they do the same. if we are to extend that right to her, then the same right must be extended to everyone here.
  • destinydiva said on Feb 16, 2008....
    I think that right should be extended to everyone here.
    it is how we use that right  that is the key issue here...imo
  • crybabylu said on Feb 16, 2008....

    travelr-----I guess I don't get you **I just don't get you...sorry trav, this is anonymous blogging here..it is also uncensored blogging , I didn't write the rules, SoulCast did.  This isn't TV Survivor where you can vote someone off the island.

    They have provided us with tools to deal with the situation, it is:    delete & block. 

  • travelr712 said on Feb 16, 2008....
    i wasn't the one who called for the vote dee, jessi herself did. i also didn't start this post, i merely participated in it, along with many others who answered her call with a 'get out' vote. and i was not the originator of the 'soulcast help' post about her either, nor the only person who commented about her on it. i was, however, the only person she singled out and wrote an entire post about, all of which was total fabrication. what i am saying dee, is that this vote is symbolic. and voting for her to stay is a vote in support of her behavior, a behavior which you yourself said just a week ago was deplorable when she leveled her sites on you and your family. now i can understand that when you read what i've written here, it can sound like i'm using a harsh tone of voice. let me assure you i am not. if i were talking to you in person, it would be with a voice of concern, of compassion. because what i am saying is that if she can do what she does and people support her in doing so, then they should stop complaining when others do the same, including jessi herself. she complains louder, longer and with more harsh phrases than anyone else when someone casts a harsh comment her way. so if she is allowed to do it, then so is everyone else. and if we are supposed to just take it, then so is she, and she should take every post of complaint off her blog, because she of all people, has no right to complain.
  • travelr712 said on Feb 16, 2008....
    to those who are posting anonymously on jessi's blog about me i'll say, at least i've got the balls to publically state my opinion under my own screen name, unlike you.
     
    now, i'm going to change my mind on one issue, and say that i am done with this subject. i can do no more good, and have nothing more to say about her behavior and treatment of others. and i'm hoping that if i remain silent, so will she and everyone else. as far as i'm concerned, the war is over.
  • bluegum said on Feb 16, 2008....
    when i said to be sin binned i was not singling out any particular person,and having thought about this overnight i belive it is'nt possible to do so.
  • Suddenrain said on Feb 16, 2008....
    Trav, I wasn't referring to you when I said mind game. I was referring to how Hotlips has manipulated everyone. I'm tired of this site. I'm leaving and will not be back. Don't waste your time with pm's. This is the second time I know of, that Hotlips has done this. First time I fell for it. Not this time. I'm done here. I "will not" and you may quote me, be back. This is not therapy for me anymore. Well done Hotlips. You've wrecked the site for happy people. God help your child, she really needs a mother. Good bye friends. Wish you all well. xx

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