This life is your statement, your body of work. This life is over within a century but the soul lives on, and it does matter what you've done here. The things you do are on record, on Your record as a matter of fact. They appear in your book.
When someone has done something wrong to you, it's on their record, not yours. You are doing them a favor by telling them what they've done wrong, giving them an opportunity to improve their performance, but it isn't your responsibility to do so, and if there are negative repercussions, you don't have to do it. You can just let their miserable statement stand as a testimony to how messed up they are.
There are reasons why people want a positive record. It is something for them to be proud of. It qualifies them to do things they want to do back home. Negatives on their record are stumbling blocks for them. They are unpaid debts, and sooner or later, even unpaid debts get paid, one way or another.
I'm not big on apologies. I don't give them, myself, and I don't accept them either. Words are cheap. To those who have "done me wrong" in this life, I wouldn't bother trying to apologize, thinking it will make anything right. I am most definitely not a forgiving person. That's one thing I don't accept in our religions and our pop psychology, the cliche that we really need to forgive others. I don't buy that crap, frankly.
It's not about maintaining a red hot anger. It's just about not forgiving. Walking away and saying screw you, asshole, leave me alone, I really don't want to be bothered with idiots. Fix it yourself, leave me out of it, just don't come to me for a reference.
In this world, there are power relationships and vulnerabilities. In the real world, back home, there are no power relationships and vulnerabilities, not in the sense that we have them here. You can't starve to death there. You can't be put out on the street there. If you lose your job there, nobody is living in poverty. You don't have the same vulnerabilities you do here. You have other concerns.
Believe in heaven. It's real. You're going there soon enough, or maybe not soon enough. Death is a graduation, cause for celebration, if the deceased has lived a good life. It's this crap here that isn't real, that is just one big set of illusions filled with stage props made of atoms.
lfbno7 posted on Jan 31, 2008
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crybabylu said on Jan 31, 2008....
Hey, this has got to be the best post I have ever read of yours. It didn't make me laugh but it definitely made me applaud you. BRAVO! -
Carefully said on Jan 31, 2008....
This is excellent! Don't agree with the apologizing thing, but it is an excellent post. -
pk2 said on Jan 31, 2008....
I like the way you put this. -
Mamie said on Jan 31, 2008....
I too stand by my record. Great getting to know you...great post! Mamie -
beyondtheveil said on Jan 31, 2008....
Religion and pop psych are wrong. Forgiveness should be earned and not be used as a vehicle for an offender to feel better at the cost of the offended. -
quietone said on Jan 31, 2008....
forgivness is not for the person you forgave as much as for the person who IS forgiving..it gives one a sense of real inner peace..a letting go. I do also believe that death should be a celebration of passage to the next world...it is only a grief process for the people left behind. yes,it is all a creation of energy..which at the core is an atom? am i right here? I am by no means a philosopher or a law of physics major...I just am... my opinion. good post Lbno! :) -
wakingharmony said on Jan 31, 2008....
{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Lennie}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} I so needed this!! I love you Darlin! -
GracefullyGrowing said on Jan 31, 2008....
Humm. Makes me wonder what I'm . . . saying/recording.~Grace~ -
destinydiva said on Jan 31, 2008....
sorry doesnt butter the biscuit :-)
ps who puts butter on their biscuit anyway? is that an american thing? :-) xx
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lfbno7 said on Jan 31, 2008....
Hi all. I liked all your comments. There were two people with questions. One was Quietone, wondering if energy has, as its core, an atom. Nope. Energy just seems to be one of the original miracles of God, and it doesn't have any atoms in it. An atom is made of at least one proton, and at least one electron. A proton is made of three quarks. A quark is made of God knows what. I think quarks might be made of spaghetti. Energy has no protons, no electrons, no quarks, and is just miracle stuff that God came up with. It moves.
Thomas Edison said that for all our scientific knowledge, we still don't understand how a person can stand up. A person is just a mass of bones and skin and water and this and that. How, in God's name, can all that crap stand up? Unknown.
Then Destiny asked who puts butter on their biscuits, and all I can say is Not me. -
Trinov said on Jan 31, 2008....
Hi, I liked your post and agree with most of what you said. And I used to have the same attitude that you had about forgiveness. But my attitude has some what changed. I always believed that if someone did me harm, they should go f ---themselves and drop dead far away from me....... I used to say, I can't forgive, but if I can repair myself, undo the damage that they did to me, then I have earned them some forgiveness by fixing what they messed up. ........But there is another level, of just letting go, and I've managed to do that recently, somewhat. For I have a relative who I have a damn good reason to hate, but my Rabbi said, try to forgive. I know that he didn't say it coming from any type of sticky gooey self-righteous place, for my friends had pulled that on me for years and I didn't buy it. It was coming from a different place, for this relative-- karmically-- was in big trouble, (and I know those things from 'my sources' let's say). And I didn't want this person to die, I wanted this person to have another chance. Not that I can welcome this person back into my life so quickly, but I guess this is the second time that I wanted this person to have a chance to repair his life. And after I forgave this individual, it's as if I have left a place and gone to another place. At least about this whole incident. My gut level anger is gone,--- and I have an incredible temper, I could put someone through a wall in my anger, and I am not really exaggerating at all...... but once I was hating someone, someone else, some idiot neighbor who was blasting a stereo while I was stuck in bed, ill and tired, and I wanted to sleep and could not stand this bom bom bom and I just hated this person, to whom I had complained more than once--and the angels let me see my aura, and it was a really disgusting shade of smokey dark red, and I realized that hate is an awful color to wear!..... Now just plain anger is a nice clear bright red..... So in conclusion, I still say that telling someone to forgive, is usually very stupid --- since there is a reason that they are angry. But years afterward, or when some good time has passed, and the person can step out of the situation, and see that they don't want to be bound by this anger, they don't want the incident on their record, or that they do not want this on that person's record upstairs, that is something different.....By the way, we sometimes get called up there in our sleep to testify. There is a real court in Heaven, or I should say real courts, it is not a joke. -
Me-Myself&I said on Jan 31, 2008....
i put butter on my biscuits! *smile*i related with you thru the whole post. but i forgive for a selfish reason.... to release my anger, to set me free.you know something....yes words are cheap(actions speak louder than words) but think about it....sometimes thats all anyone has. look at us here on SoulCast.i love this post too. take care see ya -
gingersoul said on Jan 31, 2008....
LF......I might forgive you but i dont forget what you did to me. I put it in a place where i can reach it the next time you try to hurt me again. My anger is slow and steady......i dont let go of it easily..why should i?
But, in my defense, i rarely let you see i am mad at you unless you really stretch me to the limit. I am resilient even in this. So my anger can stay silent for a long time and be easily awakened at your next possible mistake against me.
I am with you, I don't buy any of this cheap philosophy about forgiviness.....if i do forgive its for an act of selfish research of balance in my life....
Actions are stronger than words. You can make feel dizzy with your promises but it takes just one action of yors to understand that you really didn't change...
The people i really despite the most are the so called Reborn christian....they did the worst possible things in their life but one day they prayed their God and ask t be forgiven and automatically all their bad actions are miracolously deleted....so they forgive themselves and feel so pure and good....while the people they hurt are still enveloped in their scars and memories and pain... too easy.........
Hey, I dont believe in Heaven..there is a way to have a slice of home here?...
Trinov...well said, btw....
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Lucytorial said on Jan 31, 2008....
well said Ginger... -
candylane said on Jan 31, 2008....
I really like this. -
lfbno7 said on Jan 31, 2008....
At some point, the word "forgive" becomes a matter of semantics. Like the word "love". These words can mean so many different things, and by just saying the word, it isn't clear exactly what you mean by it.
For example, love can mean the type of feeling you have for a baby, or it can mean the type of feeling you have for a romantic interest you are obsessed with, even though you don't even like the person. Those are two very different meanings of the word.
Likewise, forgive can mean so many different things. It can mean that you release your red hot anger, but you still don't like the person and don't trust him. It can mean you love him completely even though he never acknowledged the wrong he did to you and will obviously do it again next time it will get him something.
The only forgiveness that makes any sense to me is to find peace within yourself by not stoking your own flame of hatred, but still despising the person for what he did and not trusting him as far as you could throw him.
If you don't maintain your scorn for this creep, then what does it mean if someone is kind to you? You don't differentiate? Then why are we all here, if what we do has no meaning?
I do have a problem with people who say they are all lovey dovey with people who have wronged them and never made it right. I believe in justiceand judgment. If those things aren't what we're here for, let's just blow the whole thing up because it's all meaningless. -
Expendable said on Jan 31, 2008....
Some things can't be forgiven. -
Suddenrain said on Jan 31, 2008....
How can you expect to be forgivin by God, if you can't forgive? If our sins hadn't been forgivin, where would we all be? -
CreativeWoman said on Jan 31, 2008....
Interesting post. -
Expendable said on Feb 01, 2008....
I don't. -
merlin said on Feb 01, 2008....
i completly agree with your post ,all our deds are recorded and we will be judged for it. -
Suddenrain said on Feb 01, 2008....
Oh Expendable... :-( that really made me feel bad. Like I shouldn't have asked the question. -
lfbno7 said on Feb 01, 2008....
Suddenrain, I think that God forgives almost all of us, much more than we forgive ourselves and each other. I don't see God as a big ogre zipping lightning bolts around. I see God as a loving parent singing to her baby. I think God is terribly maligned in those horrible stories about worldwide floods and other hateful acts. We're the bad ones, and God is love. -
Trinov said on Feb 01, 2008....
Hi, G-d is everything. Just as you --as a parent-- sometimes have to be tough to get a point across. G-dtheCreator is 'growing us', the point being to get us to be responsible partners in the cosmos. The statement in Genesis that G-d 'barah laasot' --ie "created to do"--ie that He created so that we would also create, also "do". He gives us a lot of rope, but many of us hang ourselves with it, time after time.............. I've read reincarnation stories--one about a couple that through centuries came back to get together, but the woman always made the man jealous and he always killed her. Finally they got to a pyschiatrist -hypnotist who showed them all the incarnations and said -hey guys, why are you still following this pattern, and he got them to understand their games and why they played them and they stopped the pattern... I'll tell you something that many won't understand, but it is relevant..............I've had what is called 'mystical experiences' but the term is too wishywashy. Simply, I've sometimes been taken out of this channel and been on another channel for a while.The most impressive experience was the first time I was at the Western Wall. My brother and I and several casual friends had met in Jerusalem, my first time and we found this nice family hotel that for years would give us a room or rooms for very little money, and I went to the wall, I think it was Friday afternoon. My brother had been there the day before, and he said 'something may happen'. I was expecting something but at first I was disappointed. There were so many women there and kids running around, and many were praying and swaying in prayer...I was confused and when I finally got to the Wall, I was disappointed. Nothing was 'happening' for me. Nothing and I felt something was wrong with me. And next to me was this middle aged very slim Chassidic woman wearing a black headcovering and she was saying "Efor Yaakov?" or "Where is Jacov?" and I got worried that she was looking for her kid, for it was a crowd and it would have been difficult to find a small child in the vicinity. So I looked around. And she kept repeating that sentence over and over and suddenly I was someplace else. For Jacov is the original name of Israel, and is how G-d would refer to the Nation of Israel when it was not behaving on the level of Israel, ie the one who faced G-d, the one who overcame an angel (of Esav) and Jewish women were referred to as Banot Yaakov, the daughters of Jacov...... And in this other place was I shown something of the love of the Creator for us. It was and is beyond words, and I was feeling it for such a long time out of time. And then I was told that I did not yet deserve this (level) of love, that I had to earn it..... And I was back by the Wall and I could not speak for hours and hours, but fortunately my brother understood where I was at. And when anyone asked me what I had experienced, I just said: "I know that G-d exists, but I'm not sure we do." Which none of my friends understood and which I could not really explain, but decades later learned that the Creator creates our world anew every 'second' that we are a part of Him and do not exist apart from Him....So why did I tell this--that we have to understand that the Creator relates to us with Love and Judgement and what is in between --Compassion or Mercy.... Forgiveness of the Creator implies that we have to go back and clean up what we have spilled, build up what we have broken.......... It is not a free lunch, but it is not a permanent hell either. G-d recycles and expects us to clean up our act eventually...But if some civilization will not learn, it is let to play itself out and then cancelled out, its players coming back in a different civilization...so evil is allowed to happen because of free will, but evil is not allowed to go on forever..and all acts of good are rewarded, but not always with a lollypop, but sometimes with a promotion unto a different level--ie you were great in kindergarten, now you're in first grade... you made it through high school and some college, let's see how you do in the army, or as the manager of this business with all its headaches. -
lfbno7 said on Feb 02, 2008....
What? Sorry, I missed that, could you repeat it?
(oww! I just smacked myself for making fun of Trinov writing a lot and not using paragraphs) -
Trinov said on Feb 02, 2008....
Hi, sorry about the paragraphs, but either I use microsoft and can't see half the page or I use Opera and cannot paragraph. It is a pain. I post blogs in microsoft but I read in Opera, otherwise I have to guess the ends of the postings...................... this is as good as I can do. The problem might be solved if I ever need to buy a bigger monitor... or find another internet vehicle...., It's after Shabbat here and I'll try to come back again (have some work to do tonight) to see if you put in a posting relating to the essence of my comment and not the form. Shavua Tov, (have a good week) -
lfbno7 said on Feb 02, 2008....
I use Opera and I have the exact same problem. Then Silver Whisper told me how to make a new paragraph even if the computer doesn't do it for you. You have to type in a code that won't appear. So if I type it in here, you won't see it, you will just see a new paragraph. Like so.
It's just typing the letters "br". That must stand for "break". But you have to put brackets around them. The brackets to use are the ones on the bottom row of letters, to the right of the M, at least on my keyboard. The same keys you use to write a comma or a period. But the Capital Letter version of them. You have to do two consecutive breaks to get a line between paragraphs. I copy it, and then paste it when I need to.
Those brackets are the same things that are used in mathematical notation to mean "less than" and "more than". When Silver told me to type br in brackets, I didn't know what he was talking about and had to try a few things before getting it to work.
So it is the "less than" bracket, then "br", then the "more than" bracket. Then once more, the "less than" bracket, another "br", and another "more than" bracket.
There is magic to you, Trinov, and you have had some pretty amazing experiences.
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