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short version: german researchers identified a genetic mutation that seems to explain why some people do not seem to learn from their mistakes. long version here.

the article quoth:
the decreased sensitivity to negative consequences of actions as a result of d2 receptor reduction may also explain why the a1 gene variant has previously been linked to addictive and compulsive behaviors. even so, "it's our strong belief that the variant we investigated here is not the only cause for example of an addiction - but maybe it contributes to a predisposition for developing an addiction," klein stresses.

commentary: they studied 26 men, so it’s hard to draw any meaningful conclusions about this that can be extrapolated properly across the larger population, but it’s certainly interesting stuff—the ramifications of this are extraordinary.

most of us are familiar with the clinical definition of insanity: repeating the same behavior and expecting a different response. the idea that d6 receptor reduction represented by the a1 gene variant would be linked to addictive and compulsive behaviors due to less dopamine being produced/absorbed by the brain certainly seems reasonable. since dopamine is part of the brain’s “reward” process, this conclusion looks pretty straightforward, at least to my layman’s eyes.

it’s important to note that this isn’t just about steadfastly pushing on, the kind of persistence that often characterizes success in any field of human endeavor. people do not succeed by continuing to repeat the same behaviors in the face of failure: they change their approaches to address factors in failure—unless they’re, well, insane, hence the reference to the clinical definition of insanity, above.

me, i’m looking forward to the larger survey that this will no doubt trigger—i think this is potentially fascinating.

ed

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  • skald said on Jan 25, 2008....
    I agree this is very likely.  I mean possibly so.
  • the_infernal_optimist said on Jan 25, 2008....
    That really is intriguing. I wonder what else they could potentially draw from that - whether these people might in other cases appear to be more altruistic, for example. I'm not awake enough to intelligently explain why I thought of that, but maybe it makes sense anyway.

    ~Infernal
  • GracefullyGrowing said on Jan 25, 2008....
    Neurochemistry.  Now there's a subject I'd like to delve in to more deeply.  I've only dipped in to mid-foot so far.  It's fascinating, but I don't have the education nor the mathmatical abilities to totally understand it all.  Behavior, however, is right up my ally.
     
    From a psych point of view, this genetics idea is being watched very closely. There are several studies going on to find out why there is such an increase in this . . . umm. . . how to say this delicately and with tact . . . behavior.  (But most are just trying to stop the insanity!)   This behavior, in addition to chronic conditions such as autism and depression, have risen sharply in the last decade. Many are scratching their heads trying to understand why.
     
    There is a part of the community that is concerned that the additives we put in our food is causing a decrease in proper brain functions such as the release of dopamine, seritonine, ETC. (Excuse my poor spelling please)  Growth hormones injected into food surely are having SOME effect on our physiology, eh?
     
    Some, who lean more toward environmental influence,  are concerned that our culture is causing a sort of "reverse evolution," in that when humans have "too much" they tend to stop producing the chemicals that cause them to keep trying to make things better. This one makes sense to me as well.  The human body responds to it's environment relatively quickly.
     
    This is just a drop in the 'ole bucket.  I'm watching several of my favorite publications for further study reports with baited breath! 
     
    VERY interesting, Ed.  Thank you!
     
    ~Grace~
  • uniquely-ironic said on Jan 25, 2008....
    It would be nice to have a genetic explanation for some of the behaviors I've seen in some people.  I think that the lack of dopamine for whatever reasons is a powerful influence on people's behavior.
  • beyondtheveil said on Jan 25, 2008....
    Ed- Very interesting. The study of genetics is going to bring us fascinating results in many areas.

    I'll hold off on my agreement of that definition of clinical insanity, though. It is far too elemental. The definition of insanity is a study within itself. 
  • silverwhisper said on Jan 25, 2008....
    skald: as do i--so long as a larger survey validates what they're saying, anyway.

    infernal: now that's an interesting possible corollary. i think they need to test this end of it before expanding the scope of the study, but sure, that seems a reasonable future avenue of research.

    grace: while i'm not sure re: growth hormones, etc., i'd like to believe that existing FDA regulations require some measure of testing of such items. but yeah, quite interesting, i agree.

    u-i: i know very little of the matter, to be honest, but the article seemed to summarize it at the right level for my understanding. that said, i am coming to believe as you do re: dopamine.

    beyond: hey, always a pleasure to see you! yeah, i'm not sure if that really is the clinical definition but it's a common enough expression that i figured that, while potentially factually incorrect, is at least familiar enough to make the point.

    ed
  • the_infernal_optimist said on Jan 25, 2008....
    ed: Oh good, you speak Infernal well enough to travel my often sleep-deprived thought-paths. :-D Agreed that they need to keep working with this for now, to broaden and deepen their studies, but it seemed worth a mention once it occurred to me.

    ~Infernal
  • silverwhisper said on Jan 25, 2008....
    yep, i'm in agreement w/ you on that, no question. :>

    ed
  • bluegum said on Jan 25, 2008....
    silverwhisper.... genetics is linked to every facet of what a person is hence the fact that i enjoy history,i hate violence other people would have similar trates of lesor degrees  point i make  regards to history, violence ... felt this way from childhood ,only thing changed is awarness of different types of violence as i grew older.ps quiz if you were a boy and were between say 5and 12 in the40s...6os and had pocket full of small stones and were hunting birds what would the weapon be ,oh and on the east coast of australia..... answer we called them a gig so i would get a couple of my mates ,take our gigs collect some stones and give the birds hell the feathed kind sorry about the ramble,blame it on my genetics......my simplestic view.... cheers
  • wakingharmony said on Jan 25, 2008....
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  • desdemona said on Jan 25, 2008....
    That would explain why I have always sensed a degree of wisdom in my son, since he was old enough to show reason. I have alwys felt that he was far "wiser" than most adults that I know. Like a measured experience that belies his age...
  • runningbear said on Jan 25, 2008....
    wisdom comes with age.
  • kelly said on Jan 26, 2008....
    Just to nitpick a little, but there is no clinical definition for "insanity."  It does not appear in the DSM-IV and has no meaning among mental health professionals.  Other than colloquially, of course.  :-)
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  • travelr712 said on Jan 26, 2008....
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  • silverwhisper said on Jan 26, 2008....
    bluegum: i agree that genetics is hugely important, but i'm not sure whether that trumps our experiences, you know? if you were growing up and never had a slingshot, for example?

    WH: o, i think someone else woulda posted this if not for me, to be honest. hi! [waves]

    desdemona: some kids are extraordinary like that. my goddaughter is a very smart little girl and very clever, but it's too early to know whether i could call her wise.

    runningbear: sadly, age doesn't always bring wisdom, i find, but generally, i agree.

    kelly: i know--strictly speaking, it's anything but clinical, but it's a common enough meme to communicate the meaning, no?

    trav: [trout-smack!]

    ed
  • kelly said on Jan 27, 2008....
    silver: "i know--strictly speaking, it's anything but clinical, but it's a common enough meme to communicate the meaning, no?"

    It's a common enough meme but it's not very descriptive or helpful to lump all psychiatric disorders into one common term.  Plus, the word 'insanity' has a lot of connotation dragging around behind it that is completely wrong or misleading so the communication will have noise in it.

    Just my two cents on the topic.
  • silverwhisper said on Jan 27, 2008....
    fair enough. :>

    ed

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