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     So this torture debate is still going on and has come to the point this ongoing argument is torture itself.  This is of course if you follow what Liberals call torture.  So I thought I would point out some flaws in the argument against the United States supposed use of "torture."
 
     First of all I don't believe Americans torture as a matter of policy and there really isn't any proof that we actually have as a matter of policy.  Second the definition of torture as by the Liberals here on Soulcast, is so watered down it makes many things we people deal with everyday torture.  This attitude can be dangerous and this why we need to define what torture is, in the environment we are in with army-less enemies and suicide bombers.
 
    The way our media works like a pack of dogs on gut pile for ratings, gloom and doom sells.  Abu Graib was a hand-full of scumbags who got out of control and not a matter of policy of the United States government.  The American media and the extreme Liberal media made millions off of Abu Graib and still are.  This terrible story of Americans "torturing" people has spawned more propaganda then Hitler's Nazis. 
 
     A Soulcast member pointed out induced hypothermia and I made the comment that if they think this is torture they probably haven't been deer hunting in the Northeast.  This is mainly pointing out that in the long list of historic torture methods, induced hypothermia falls pretty low in comparison.  Americans in training are subject to everything from water-boarding to induced hypothermia, to violence, sleep deprivation, etc etc.  If Liberals are just aghast at these methods, then they better stand back when they look at the real world.  Our enemies have far more creative ways of getting information when they capture us. 
 
     The HBO show "Ghosts of Abu Graib" shows a guy talking about a study that showed the long term damages standing in silence for several hours causes.  He was implying this is torture and criticizing our use of this a method of interrogation.  How many jobs around the world do people stand in one place for 8 to 10 hours a day?  HBO is about as Liberal of a network as they come mainly because Ghosts completely leaves out how savage the people we fighting are.  This is not a chess game we are playing it's a war.
 
     Now of course people will say there is the whole choice thing and we aren't really being forced to work shitty jobs and stay in harsh military training.  If you are struggling and working to support kids do you really have a choice to quit?  There are many people in the military whose relatives have succeeded and for them to fail or quit would be a disgrace.  In making this comparison I am pointing out how weak Liberals are on what is actual torture.
 
     In my opinion we catch a hardcore Jiadist and try to interrogate him the way Liberals think we should they are going to laugh at us.  And after they get a lawyer to get them off they are going back into the battle to plan bombings and saw people's heads off.  We cannot afford to have this mentality, if we do then sooner or later everyday will be 9/11.    


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  • Carefully said on Jan 13, 2008....
    O stopmediabias, thank you bro! I've finally seen the light, I'm a changed man!
    Like in NOT!
  • crybabylu said on Jan 13, 2008....
    I have been reading your blogs, and I will say that you are certainly consistent.  Have a good day.
  • ALIENated said on Jan 13, 2008....
    You make the same mistake all reasonable and conservative people make: you
    try to speak reason. That rarely works with liberals. They have gone somewhat
    mad, and I am not even sure why. I think Clinton was such a cock up that he had
    a very rough presidency. Liberals blame conservatives instead of blaming 
    Clinton, and now they are taking it out on Bush and all conservatives. I guess
    politics have always been this nasty, but I hate that our national security is
    being compromised by politics. I just hope liberal overcompensation for Clinton
    does not usher Mrs. Clinton into office. Talk about torture. That will be four
    torturous years. If she makes it in I will definitely lose all hope that the
    Democrat party will ever return to being the great party it once was before
    the extremists hijacked it.
    
  • ALIENated said on Jan 13, 2008....
    Oh, and I, for one, am staying out of the torture posts from now on. You can
    only prove the ridiculousness of all that so many times, while being totally 
    ignored by the morons that believe everything the liberal media spews out.
    
  • stopmediabias said on Jan 14, 2008....
    Care-Thank you, I'm sure you will be voting Republican the next election.
     
    CB-Thank you
     
    Alien-As usual you hit the nail on the head....
  • sheltercrow said on Jan 14, 2008....
    Just a minor search make this ridiculous post of yours nonsense.
     
    The liberals again... you have a terminal illness. Do you have nightmares about evil liberals?
     
    Your doing your opinion as fact crap again... an armchair dingbat. 
     
     
     
    First of all I don't believe Americans torture as a matter of policy and there really isn't any proof that we actually have as a matter of policy.
     
    You ignore reality in the face of facts. Dingbat neo-conservatives seem to all play with the same cheat sheets. Do you nut-cases get the same dingbat talking points newsletter?
     
    Alien-As usual you hit the ding on the dong... like a good ditto head should.
  • stopmediabias said on Jan 14, 2008....

    As usual I get hit with another koolaid drinker who sources the New York Times.  This is the same tabloid that has a terrible agenda against anything Republican and some type of wierd obsession with President Bush.

    I'll challenge you because I do think you have a brain.  Find one piece of substantial proof the Bush Administration has tortured people as a matter of policy.  You can skip all the name calling and witty banter, while fun it doesn't accomplish anything.  Just give me proof.

  • sheltercrow said on Jan 14, 2008....
    My friend, I do not have to prove anything. I say your assertion is wrong. Knowing you, I know nothing I say or link or source will be of any use. Your blood colored glasses come with blinders.
     
    From my alter to you: The Wandering Paranoid.
  • crybabylu said on Jan 14, 2008....
    Hi, SMB, I just popped in to say hello, and thanks for stopping in and reading my post......dee
  • stopmediabias said on Jan 15, 2008....

    Shelter-so you not up for the challenge.  Ok, this shows that you are all bark and really no bite.  I gotta say I'm disappointed. 

    You-tube movie clips hold zero credibility, I would think if you are going to accuse your own people of torture you would have your facts straight.

    CB-Thank you.

  • Kickingcrow said on Jan 15, 2008....
    You summon me oh Lord of the Dark Realm?
     
    Yawn.
  • stopmediabias said on Jan 16, 2008....
    I hate to say it my friend but a skull with smoke is far closer to the Dark Realm than Stopmediabias.
  • crybabylu said on Jan 16, 2008....
    Kicking:  Was that what you were saying? 
  • stopmediabias said on Jan 16, 2008....
    CB-it's a multiple personality thing, kind of like multiple Miggs in Silence of the Lambs.
  • TinSoldier said on Jan 19, 2008....
    In the military, we have the five S's regarding prisoners of war:

    Search
    Silence
    Segregate
    Safeguard
    Speed

    When you take a prisoner, you search him for items of intelligence value and for items that are dangerous.

    You silence them so that they can neither plot with their compatriots nor give away your position if you are trying to remain stealthy.

    You segregate them usually according to whether they are officers or enlisted, but you can also segregate them based on other criteria, such as the value of the prisoner (since we are fighting irregulars).

    You safeguard your prisoners from harm. That's probably one of the most important ones from a humanitarian point of view.


    And you speed your prisoners to the rear where higher headquarters can take charge of them.

    Now of course, to follow some peoples' ideas, we should probably just shoot them. Especially ones who are not the members of any recognized armed force. Because "they do it too!" is always a valid excuse.
  • Kickingcrow said on Jan 19, 2008....
    torture.jpg Torture image by gowelld
    You vill tell me vat I vant to know! No master please tighter!
  • TinSoldier said on Jan 19, 2008....
    "Where is your god now??"

    *tightens the thumbscrews*
  • stopmediabias said on Jan 20, 2008....

    Tin- This is where I have different opinion.  I don't regard them as "prisoners of war."  In a sense I think the whole POW thing, which is obviously a good thing, came about in times when men were drafted.  The people with whom we are fighting now seem to take general orders from the high-ups then from there they are motivated by God to do things beyond our comprehension that pretty much scraps the rulebook on war.

    My post was mainly pointing out the ridiculousness of comparing the United States, who I believe are the good guys here, and stating we torture people as a matter of policy, without decent proof to back it up.  I also point out the tactics of our enemies in regards to torture to point out how out of touch with reality most Liberals are.  Ask any Al Qaeda agent who would he rather be captured by?  Iran Syria, or the United States.  We harshly interogate under extreme circumstances, they torture eveyone they capture regardless of what they know or don't know.

    Kickingcrow-In the 18th century they used to drill holes in people's heads as a treatment for psychological disorder.  Benjamin Rush invented a thing called a spinning chair, it was said to drive out demons that possessed the victims.  I think this is what that picture portrays.  If the guys was being tortured his hands would be bound.  The cross is probably for comfort and to assist with the demons.

    This might help you, I don't know, I don't consider myself an expert on mental disorders.

  • TinSoldier said on Jan 20, 2008....
    Tin- This is where I have different opinion.  I don't regard them as "prisoners of war."  In a sense I think the whole POW thing, which is obviously a good thing, came about in times when men were drafted.  The people with whom we are fighting now seem to take general orders from the high-ups then from there they are motivated by God to do things beyond our comprehension that pretty much scraps the rulebook on war.

    I know we have a difference of opinion, and I also disagree with the reasons we have rules regarding POWs. We treat them a certain way so as to minimize our own loss of humanity during times of war. I disagree that it has anything whatsoever to do with being drafted.

    It has nothing to do with how our enemies treat us.

    How we treat prisoners has everything to do with how we see ourselves and our own values, regardless of whether they are legitimate POWs or unlawful enemy combatants.

    My post was mainly pointing out the ridiculousness of comparing the United States, who I believe are the good guys here, and stating we torture people as a matter of policy, without decent proof to back it up.  I also point out the tactics of our enemies in regards to torture to point out how out of touch with reality most Liberals are.  Ask any Al Qaeda agent who would he rather be captured by?  Iran Syria, or the United States.  We harshly interogate under extreme circumstances, they torture eveyone they capture regardless of what they know or don't know.

    "They do it too" is not a valid excuse. But blindly thinking that we are always the good guys... well, that's just not true. Who watches the watchers?

  • ALIENated said on Jan 20, 2008....
    SMB: you can delete all this childish crap being posted here, you know. No one is
    falling for it anyway. You can demonize people of character all you want, but it
    does not change reality. It just makes you look like another dumbass liberal, stuck
    in the third grade, who figured out how to post dumbass pictures. Congratulations.
    
  • stopmediabias said on Jan 20, 2008....
    Tin-"They do it too"
    This is not the point I was making.   I don't believe we Americans torture as a matter of policy.  Waterboarding and Induced Hypothermia and other bad things may fall into the realm of harsh but not torture.  #1- We do these things and worse things to our own people in training, #2-They cause no permanent damage, #3-In the context of acutal torture are kind of weak #4-the benefit far out weighs any moral implication of torture.  #5-And are done in extreme circumstances for the purpose of saving lives.
     
    I don't blindly think we are always the good guys.  If you look at the media and Liberals they are quick to pound on every negative thing they perceive as a conspiracy and are silent to the fact America has saved more lives and shut down more torture havens than any other country in the world. 
     
    Alien-Thank you for saying it better than I could.
     
    Kickingkoolaid-why exactly are you here?  If you disagree with what I say, comment.  Posting propaganda pictures only waists time because I'm just going to delete them.  Or could it be you are afraid? 
  • ALIENated said on Jan 20, 2008....
    Some want to believe the fairytale that is liberalism. When they start researching
    the facts, it burns out a circuit in their brains. Or something. They can no longer
    process things in a rational way so they attack the person, or persons, not the 
    issue. We may not respect everything the police do as they deal with the filth
    of humanity day after day, but we appreciate that they keep the peace. We
    may not appreciate everything Bush and his administration does to keep us free
    of terrorists, but we should appreciate that they are keeping us free of terrorists.
    I think many democrats and mostly liberals just hate Bush because of what he 
    stands for. He openly talks about God and that alone freaks out most atheist liberals.
    The Jews (mostly liberal Democrats) just hate Republicans in general. They have, 
    for some unknown reason, associated them with Nazis, which could not be farther
    from the truth. The Republicans care far more for the future of Israel than most
    Hollywood Jews, as far as I can tell. Blacks think Democrats / liberals have their
    best interests in mind. That also could not be farther from the truth. Most 
    God-fearing, respectible blacks do not believe in abortion. That alone should turn 
    them from the Democrat party. 
    
  • stopmediabias said on Jan 24, 2008....

    Alien-very well said,

    I never understood the Black/Liberal thing.  Republicans, like Reagan summed it up perfectly when he said "the best entitlement is a job," want people to earn what they acquire with hard work.  Democrats seem to want to spoon-feed people and hope this charity moves them out of poverty when all it does is make them lazy.  This is what I call passive subjugation.

  • sheltercrow said on Jan 25, 2008....
    Alien do you have a point here?
     
    liberalism, filth of humanity, keep us free of terrorists, atheist liberals, Hollywood Jews, Most God-fearing, respectible blacks
     
    You ooze (or booze) bigot my man. I guess it must be that conservative streak in you.
  • ALIENated said on Jan 26, 2008....
    Take your shots here. You have been blocked from my post. However, you do
    prove my point. I attack a philosophy, the religion of liberalism, while you attack
    me. And if I am stupid, I hate to think where that leaves you.
    
  • sheltercrow said on Jan 26, 2008....
    You as a bigot attack no philosophy. You merely flail about expressing you extreme prejudice. I will not dignify your racist and sexist principles.

    Yes it does look as if I may be attacking you personally and I admit that it is difficult to stay the course when confronted with such a corrupt personality. You see dear Alien to read your constant excusses for your bigotry as being the result of that fictitious "other", in this case "the religion of liberalism", is nauseating.

    So lets lay this to rest and be done with it. To constantly give vent to your childish personal insecurities with the "And if I am stupid, I hate to think where that leaves you" retorts is a burden that must be hard to bear.

    I thought you were getting closer to your god? It must be the one "down there" I suppose.

  • ALIENated said on Jan 27, 2008....
    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (That is dead air. No one home so rattle on.)
  • stopmediabias said on Jan 27, 2008....

    Alien it just kills these Liberals when you speak the truth.  They always start foaming at the mouth when confronted with actual reality.

    Shelter-I hate to be the one to break this to you but the modern Liberalism movement has turned into a bunch of kooks.  Drivers licenses for illegals, Purple pens because red is traumatic, Howard Dean, Stopping an execution because the needle for the lethal injection is: "cruel and unusal punishment," William Jefferson-Democrat Louisiana not asked to resign, all of these things are not Conservative creations.  These are just a drop, I have a boatload.  Your party has gone waayy off the deep end.  

    No wait.  Sorry, your not a Liberal.  Let me rephrase that:  The party in which you agree with on everything and lean farther left than even most mainstream Liberals has gone waayy off the deep end.   

  • sheltercrow said on Jan 27, 2008....


    I could waste a lifetime just on your republican pals... why start on democrats?

    The Sludge Report. So many Republican hypocrites, so little time.

    The Sludge Report. So many Republican hypocrites, so little time.

    The Wandering Stiletto. Criminality at the highest levels of the US government.

    The Wandering Stiletto. On Ultraconservatives.

    Why... I even have a post on your alien friend...

    A tribute to my favorite Intellectual. In his words.

  • ALIENated said on Jan 27, 2008....
    Why thanks. Glad you recognize brilliance when you see it. Now you have something
    worth reading on your blog. Of course, that could be considered plagarism.
    May I suggest links to the original posts. Sorry most of my writings are too
    deep for you to understand. You continue to prove my point about attacking
    the messenger. Quite pathetic, really. Why not do some original writing of your
    own instead of copying what I have written? But I am flattered.
    
  • sheltercrow said on Jan 27, 2008....
    Dear Alien the original links are there. You my friend are a wonder to... something. You flatter yourself alien. Everything you have written can be found in this post of mine Footnote for the ALIENated. Adolf Hitler had Faith in God. 
     
    Seems you may have plagiarized his work. Take a look, there is still plenty of material left you can use.
  • stopmediabias said on Jan 28, 2008....

    It's amazing how if you take a view that might be a little to the extreme and even use the word "jew" you are automatically Adolf Hitler. 

    Shelter do you actually have anything original?

  • sheltercrow said on Jan 28, 2008....
    I am just a scribe oh Lord of the Dark Realm. I'm of the opinion that you wouldn't understand me anyway. You and Adolf Alien are a set of hard wired twins.

    Yawn.

    Your ill informed and your grasp of the subjects you claim to know is superficial. You know little about torture, Bin Laden or Abu Ghraib other than what you scanned from the papers. So what is the sense of having a debate with someone? I'm not an expert but I like to dig around a little and connect a few dots. It may take years to find the truth. Sleeping yet?
  • ALIENated said on Jan 28, 2008....
    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
  • sheltercrow said on Jan 28, 2008....
    I see you finally found your voice.
     
    Bully for you.
  • ALIENated said on Jan 28, 2008....
    zzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzz zzzzz zz z .......

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