• Lucytorial said on Jan 09, 2008....

  D6 I thinks its a little scary, imagine if Hillary gets in and one of the big boys in an eastern country tells her to get stuffed, is she gonna cry!!!!
  
  Actually they called Hillary here about 5 hours before you guys would have heard it which I find completely wrong...... they are actually saying there were incorrect counters anyway... agghhh what a mess.
  

• lalalalalala said on Jan 09, 2008....

  I keep hearing on the politics shows that pollkeepers (or whatever they're called) aren't doing the job right. But who knows? I did hear Hillary had out-of-staters brought in the night before for whatever speech they keep showing us on the politics shows. I hope those people DID NOT vote in NH.

• D6fer said on Jan 09, 2008....

  Tobi-lee.....it's nuts here....I think the term honest politician is an oxymoron!
  
  lala....take everything you hear in media with a grain of salt....they don't just report anymore....they try to create the news and shape the future!
  

• Lucytorial said on Jan 09, 2008....

  Spin doctors everywhere.... its irksome because it takes twice as long to sort through the BS to get to the facts if there are any..... 

• lalalalalala said on Jan 10, 2008....

  Hey, D6, you asked a question and I gave you my answer! I did say, "But who knows?" didn't I? That means I did take it with a grain of salt mister!

• silverwhisper said on Jan 10, 2008....

  yes, it's just you. :>
  
  ed

• pickersplock said on Jan 10, 2008....

  I think it was the Independent thing.  You see in NH an Independent can choose to vote in either the Republican or the Democratic primary.
   
  It has been said, that female voters in particular, saw the crying thing and either
   
  A. saw a more "human" side of Hilary
  or
  B. saw the press rip her up for the crying and became disgusted
   
  Another factor, I suspect, is talk radio around this area.
  The constant buzz is, "will Americans vote for a Muslim".
   
  I don't agree with any of this gossip, btw.  That's just what's been going around here.

• TinSoldier said on Jan 10, 2008....

  But... Obama's not a Muslim. Are they really asking that in the mainstream media? WTF?
  
  Anyway, I don't really think anything screwy is going on. I think that Hillary's "crying game" (which I've really only heard about online) was a stupid but calculated move and it may backfire on her.
  

• GracefullyGrowing said on Jan 10, 2008....

  Frankly, the "crying" thing didn't work for me, even as a woman who fully understands how VERY difficult it is to control tears.  Women are built the way we are built, and controlling tears for us IS very difficult. 
   
  However, *I* am not out there trying to convince the voters that I can handle the daunting position of Commander in Chief of the USA.  I am not trying to convince people that *I* should have control over the red phone.  I could not handle it, to be sure.  If Mrs. Clinton thinks she can, and she wants my vote, she's going to have to convice me SHE can handle it.
   
  Foreign affairs are most crucial to the position of the Presidency, and one of the criteria by which I base the direction of my vote.  For Mrs. Clinton to cry in public, game or not, was not a move that convinces me she can adaquately handle the job.  Personally, I don't want my President crying in front of the President of Iran because he doesn't think she's all that - because her popularity is in peril.  To those dignitaries, that is weakness, and will be taken as such - whether that's a right way to think or not, it IS the way they see it. 
   
  My other concern about Mrs. Clinton becoming president is that if she is elected, and her presidency is as unremarkable as I expect it to be, if another woman would ever be elected again.  I am not convinced we, as a people, have evolved in our non-prejudice enough to move on without pointing fingers at the perceived evidence that would then be available.
   
  Seemingly, most NH voters saw it differently.  I think they finally saw Mrs. Stonewall show some emotion.  They saw her "womanly" side.  They seem to want to champion that. When I think about that, I can understand it.  One of the issues of the feminist movement has been the dichotomy of women not trying to become LIKE men, but to show themselves competent AS women, and still be women.  The concept - for me - is . . . Yes, women are equal.  BUT.... equal does not mean THE SAME.  It seems the NH voters wanted to see a competent woman, but still a woman.  Mrs. Clinton has not exactly portrayed herself as the "nurturing" type, with a soft side.  This time she did.  And, politically, it was probably a good move.  I wonder if it was orchestrated.  Her husband IS a brilliant politician, as we all know.
   
  The voters got what they wanted, and pushed the button of their approval.  The people have spoken.  I see no fraud, or scandal here.  I see American politics working as intended - situation normal!!  
   
  ~Grace~
   
   

• pickersplock said on Jan 10, 2008....

  Tinsoldier, yes they are and they've been discussing his entire family background as a matter of fact.  That's not just up here in the Northeast either, some of these are national radio programs. 
  They're very sneaky about it too. 
  For example here, where many democrats want Hilary to win; for selfish reasons, of course; they say something like, "He's a very personable man, Obama, but is the country ready for a president with a Muslim background."
  I don't think it's appropriate.
   
  Out of the all the democratic candidates, he's the best public speaker. 
  John Edwards may as well go home to his dying wife, because they will never give him the nomination in a million years!
  Either way I'm stuck with Hilary because she's our NY Senator.  Boooooo!
   
  I like McCain and Guiliani on the republican side.  I got to shake hands with Senator McCain last year.  He's really cool!

• lioneljay said on Jan 10, 2008....

  My take is that the Clinton organization did a somewhat better job in the last day or two of the primary campaign than did the Obama organization. All the poll results came from two and three days before the actual voting took place. Plus, New Hampshire voters have regularly refused to affirm the results of the Iowa caucuses and so can usually be counted on to pick someone other than the Iowa winner.
  
  Finally, remember that one week before the NH primary Senator Clinton held a ten point lead in the polls. That Senator Obama closed as much of the gap as he did is still a remarkable achievement. As someone above noted, independent voters in NH are free to vote in the primary of their choice. Given the results for John McCain, it's clear that many of them chose to take Republican ballots rather than Democratic ones.
  
  Finally, it's very, very important to realize that both Senators Obama and Clinto won the same number of delegates to the national convention in the NH primary. In terms of the currency that matters, it was a tie.
  

• D6fer said on Jan 10, 2008....

  lioneljay....yes I noticed that too with the delegates.....I thought the same thing....looks like a tie to me....and Obama still leads in delegates overall.

• lioneljay said on Jan 11, 2008....

  D6, I know you're much more likely to vote for someone on the other side of the fence but which of the democrats do you think would make the best president - assuming that the country chose to pick someone from that litter?
  
  As for me, I find McCain the best option among the Repubs.
  

• D6fer said on Jan 11, 2008....

  ummmm......personally, I like Obama the most, but I don't like his positions after I viewed his website.....and I haven't actually visited the others....so to be fair, i feel like I should do that 1st.....so I will answer....just not right now.
  

• lioneljay said on Jan 11, 2008....

  D6, you may the first person I've "met" aside from a few characters that have no life whatsoever and spend all their time on political sites, who has admitted to checking out a candidate's website before judging the candidate.
  
  I look forward to hearing your opinion when you form it.
  

• D6fer said on Jan 11, 2008....

  wow....just looked at hillary's, edwards, some guy named gravel.....none sound too good to me....if I had to choose...I think I'd take edwards.....he seems to include the most details of his plans....shows some initiative at least.....although if hillary is anything like bill, she would be malleable enough to do what congress wants and take credit for the good stuff!

• Lucytorial said on Jan 12, 2008....

  agghhh no D6, she will also fall prey to the ever present popularity of her spin doctors... you know your congress could get obama to do more for them than Hillary.. she's going to be too busy cleaning up Bills sidewalk shit slip ups... guaranteed.

• D6fer said on Jan 12, 2008....

  If a dem gets in the whitehouse...i just pray that the republicans pick up some seats in congress....hopefully a majority.

• lioneljay said on Jan 12, 2008....

  D6, I dare say that a Republican majority in either house of congress this coming election is a bit of a pipe dream. You can thank your buddy W for that. His escapades, particularly his invasions of both Iraq and the tax code (I'm so happy to hear that Bill Gates gets to pay a lower tax rate now; I was so concerned for him before) have angered the majority of Americans.

• D6fer said on Jan 13, 2008....

  I think you may be in for a bit of a surprise on that....have you seen congresses approval ratings? I doubt that most Americans want a democrat mandate
  

• lioneljay said on Jan 13, 2008....

  D6, if you look at the total polling numbers from Iowa and NH, you'll see that nearly 2/3 of the total votes have gone for Democratic candidates. In Iowa, Obama took slightly over 25% of the total vote even when you count all those who voted for Republicans. There is a 70% or better slice of the population that wants us out of Iraq, and only the Democrats are talking about making such a move. These are some of the reasons why I said that it's unlikely that the Republicans will regain their majority in Congress.
  
  
  

• D6fer said on Jan 13, 2008....

  I think more dems are involved at this early point, but wait until the nominees are known and the real races begin....then things will level out....seems it always works that way.

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