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One thing that I can't seem to get a grasp on is when a woman is flirting with me. When she's showing interest. Unless it's obvious, like she says 'hey, wanna get it on' and starts shedding clothing (not that it happens, mind you), i just don't seem to be able to 'tune in'. I can't seem to be able to discern between when a woman is just being friendly, or wanting to take it to the next level.
 
Let me give you an example. A couple days ago, the woman in my office that i mentioned in another post, had come to work with a belt around her waste, that kept riding up to rest under her 'hoo hoo's'. (no, i'm not afraid to say the word boobs, it's just that hoo hoo's sounds funnier)
 
she was standing in the aisleway with several other people around, including me, when her friend, also a woman, mentioned that her belt was riding up and accentuating her assets. She responded with a 'that's what it's supposed to do', and then, looking right at me, grasped said hoo hoo's and proceeded to adjust them.
 
Was I being flirted with? I didn't know how to respond. I didn't look away. In fact, what I was thinking was how bold it was of her to do that in front of everyone, which i thought was really cool, and how much I would have liked to have been the one adjusting them for her. But still, I said nothing.
 
So, was I being flirted with? How can I tell? What is the defining line between flirtation and just being funny? How exactly is it that women flirt, anyway? Help me please, I think maybe I've been missing out on opportunities because I'm so obtuse on this matter.


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  • PsychoDramaQueen said on Dec 15, 2007....
    yes
    that was a definite come on. I am a huge flirt, and if I was grasping my "hoohoo"s and leering at you - yeah that would be a tell that i fancied you.
    but i do have to say, that was an obvious flirt, adn the best way to flirt is more subtle.
    travelr - u interested in this woman? flirt back and see what happens. let us know!!
    <>~~~~~PDQ~~~~~<>
  • phoeby said on Dec 15, 2007....
    that sounds like an invitation. :)

    she's a gutsy mumma!

    phoeby
  • wombat said on Dec 15, 2007....
    Could have been a "flirting" move---but then again, I know some women who are just bold, crazy, and "out there."  They don't care about doing crazy things like that in front of any man.  (a relative comes to mind!)  But if you are interested in finding out--I bet it wouldn't be difficult to do with this one!
  • exhibit_c said on Dec 15, 2007....
    It could have just been a tease.

    I can see the advantage of a pretty subtle first move. The other party can pick up on, and you have deniability if you want it later.
  • travelr712 said on Dec 15, 2007....
    hmm, one definite and two maybe's. see why it's so hard to figure out? but i know that none of you were there, and you would just about have to be in order to tell. you're only seeing my side of it. and am i interested? yes, she's a different kind of woman than i usually pick.
     
    here's something strange tho. last week, i told her about an incident where i noticed her being vulnerable toward me. she got a little defensive and told me she does that sometimes, but not very often. then she kinda stopped talking to me alltogether. i'm not at all sure that was a good sign.
  • Mr_Box said on Dec 15, 2007....

    Hard to tell.

    Sounds like she might have just been enjoying the attention and she knew she could make you squirm a little.

    It would have been a much more clear cut case if she'd grabbed her tits and asked, you want some of this big boy? Then I'd say she was flirting for sure.

     

  • evil_twin said on Dec 15, 2007....
    I'm just laughing about what Mr. Box said! That was funny :-P Um, I don't know if this chick was flirting or not. Maybe? I think she might have just been giving you something to ogle. But if she keeps grabbing her boobs and looking at you, she could be hoping you'll grab them next time.

    But I wouldn't recommend doing that unless she gives you an actual invitation!

    -evil_twin LA
  • PsychoDramaQueen said on Dec 15, 2007....

    can't you just ask her if she is interested? If she talks to you at least - when did she stop talking to you, before the tata grabbing or after?

    altho i have to say many offices have a policy against coworkers "fraternizing" with each other, so tread carefully.....

    us women, we are a confusing lot!

    <>~~~PDQ~~~<>

  • secretlife said on Dec 15, 2007....
    i'm not sure either-
    i know women who would do something like that because they're 'on the spot' and enjoying it.
     
    are you intersted in her?
  • travelr712 said on Dec 15, 2007....
    well, box, that's what it usually takes for it to get through my thick head!
     
    et - and being in a work setting, i think an overt reaction from me could be at the cost of my job! i'm gonna need a little more incentive than that, i think.
     
    pdq - yes, you are! i got some of it down, but this is an area where i'm totally confused! and she stopped talking to me when i saw how she was vulnerable, that said a volume to me.
     
    secret - interested, yes. do something about it? that's an entirely different question!
  • queenparanoia said on Dec 16, 2007....
    hehehhehe i'm laughing at mr box comment too... but yeah she might be flirting... =)
  • lfbno7 said on Dec 16, 2007....
    It's not just simple flirting. Flirting might be one of the ingredients of what she was doing, but the main ingredient was outrageousness. She was crashing through accepted norms of behavior. If you like her and you don't do anything about it you are being a wussy. She's so outrageous, and you're too chicken to say boo to her? You sound like me.
  • travelr712 said on Dec 16, 2007....
    qpdoll - well, it's the 'might be' that bothers me.
     
    add lfb here - if it wasn't in a work environment, and she wasn't in the middle of breaking up with her husband once again, and she wasn't potentially going to be in a position of authority over me in a few weeks, i would be a little more forward here. plus the fact that she will hardly look at me or say anything to me, even when i talk to her now. i think that's because i noticed her vulnerability and that made her defensive.
  • gingersoul said on Dec 16, 2007....

    Trave......I agree with Secret........i read her more as a attention grabber....probably she was glowing for all the attentions...so i will suggest to take your next steps cautiosly.......

    Maybe she is not that confident as she presents herself....btw, that boob act was a little over the top being in an office enviroment....especially if she will be a superior ...

    If she was so interested in you she should have acted in that way in a one-to-one situation with you...not in a group of gossipy coworkers.....

    I would take my time with her and study her better....then make my move....:-)

     

     

  • travelr712 said on Dec 16, 2007....
    yeah ginger, i think she overcompensates for an inferiority complex too. that's why looking vulnerable makes her uncomfortable.
     
    as for me, i'm not one to 'fish off the company pier', as it were, so i'm not really planning on doing anything about it anyway. i'm just curious to find out how and when it is that women are flirting with me. i really don't know when they are most of the time. well, that, or they never do. i just don't know. it's like, i can very quickly get right inside their heads, but i can't tell what they're doing on the surface at all. does that make sense?
  • PsychoDramaQueen said on Dec 16, 2007....

    travelr - dont try to understand us women! we dont understand ourselves. youre trying to apply some kind of logic to the way we behave....there is no logic!

    <>~~~PDQ~~~<>

  • gingersoul said on Dec 16, 2007....

    Trave.....it does make sense......we women make sense when we want to send our messages loud and clear....since she is not that clear in what she thinks she is or wants she projects confusing signals...

    I like to flirt.....when i am flirting with somebody i like (and i really like him) my signals are very clear, believe me....

    Then there is that shady but intriguing territory where i flirt but just for the fun of it....if the man i am flirting with react in an way i wasnt really soliciting (meaning that he misunderstands my flirting for a real invitation) i am very quick in making him understand that i was just having fun........it takes class and kindness but there is always wiggling room for readjusting confusing signals....up to now i never had problems....

    many times you guys dont have to do anything....we will let you know....LOL...

  • travelr712 said on Dec 16, 2007....
    pdq - so why is it that every time i say that to a woman, she slaps me? oh yeah, no logic! :-P
     
    ginger - well, no woman is 'letting me know', so i guess it's a case of i'm just not being flirted with then?
  • nursecutie said on Dec 16, 2007....

    LOL! She sounds like kind of a goofball actually. I don't know if it was flirting or not though. I have said things and done things silly like that and it didn't mean anything. Us women know that men love boobies so it's very easy to tease and torment someone with them........LOL

    She might like you, or she might just think of you as a friend and was simply being goofy around you.

    xxoo natalie xxoo

  • travelr712 said on Dec 16, 2007....
    yeah, thanks nat, that clears it right up for me :-P
     
    i think that's one of the things i like about her, she can be very serious, and she can be a goof, and she really doesn't care who sees it about her. but deep inside, there's a scared little girl who doesn't want anyone to see her.
     
    this post really wasn't about her though, so much as it was about my non ability to recognize when i'm being flirted with. i'm not going to do anything about her. she's still involved with her ex husband, and she's a co worker. seems to me like a recipe for disaster, no?
  • lfbno7 said on Dec 16, 2007....
    Add a teaspoon of salt, a cup of sugar, a pinch of lemon zest, and you will then have a great recipe for disaster.
  • RollingC said on Dec 16, 2007....
    Don't forget the Vodka.....
  • travelr712 said on Dec 16, 2007....
    yeah guys, that's exactly what i was thinking. a little fun isn't worth my job or my reputation.
  • dyingman said on Dec 16, 2007....
    Sounded like the kind of flirt that she might be offering to several people.  Not that I mind.  If that's who you are, be that person.  Lord knows the world needs a few more, I think.

    In the event she rejects advances, she'd be hard pressed to claim you were imagining things.  Just be sure you're not expecting emotional attachment.  Then again, it might be there in spades.  Some of these "outrageous" flirts do this hunting for one special someone that they cleave to with all they've got.  Be ready for either.



  • CreativeWoman said on Dec 16, 2007....

    I would say it was flirting.  It's hard to say if it was just in fun or something directed specifically at you to see if you would "bite".  My only advice is to pay attention to her body language in the future.  Maybe that will tell you something. :-)

    Not much help.  Am I?

    CW

     

  • Mamie said on Dec 16, 2007....
    I am not really sure. I am also not sure if you want your woman to act like that in her work place? Your call.
  • travelr712 said on Dec 16, 2007....
    dying - well, emotional attachment is what my problem usually ends up being. but having recognized that about myself, i'm better able to control it now. thanks for the advice
     
    cw - hmm, i don't think it would be a problem at all for me to keep an eye on her body :-P but seriously, what should i be looking for? that's what my question really is, i guess.
     
    mamie - well, i think you're right, i wouldn't want any girlfriend of mine acting that way toward another man in public, or in private for that matter.
  • Suddenrain said on Dec 17, 2007....
    Trav, if she's not talking to you now, then wait for her to come to you when you're alone. I agree with Ginger on all points. You have to be careful in a work situation.
  • starchini said on Dec 18, 2007....
    She was definitly flirting! Not so much because she adjusted them infront of you but because she looked at you when she was doing it.  She was clearly asking you to check her out.  Sounds like a tease to me : P 

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