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Will the world take a female U.S. President seriously? I have my doubts.
 
Many of the leaders who currently call us enemy hail from what can only be described as patriarchal societies. How will negotiations go if they don't respect our President just because she's a woman?
 
Yes, yes, yes, she will probably be very well received by the French - as if our entire national self-image rests with a dying colonial power that cages their immigrants in poverty and lectures us on Egalite, Liberte, Fraternite.
 
But how will Ahmedinejad treat a Hillary Clinton? She did recently vote to label his Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization. How will the Arab OPEC nations treat her? Say what you will about Bush and Cheney being big bad oilmen, but somehow I doubt that their comrades in the oil producing nations will take what a woman has to say very seriously. If they decide to cut production to boost oil prices, what will Hillary be able to do?
Even among our friends - for example our main trading partner, China - I can't think of even one highly placed female leader. How might Hillary's gender affect her ability to negotiate? I mean, besides her campaign donors under federal indictment.
 
Having a woman Secretary of State is one thing. The people we negotiate with still know there's a guy somewhere in DC calling the shots. Bending to the will of a woman in charge may stick in many a leader's craw.
 
For what it's worth, Hillary is the smartest among the Democratic candidates. But that's not really saying much from where I stand. And it's not that I oppose her because she's a woman. I oppose her because I support the Republicans. I like Mike.  If Kay Bailey Hutchison or Condi decided to run I'd cheer them on, because frankly, ultimately, when it comes to the way we run our affairs  I don't really care about what the rest of the world thinks.
 
But some folks do. If, in 2004, many folks worried about what the world thought of our re-electing President Bush - especially the idiots in the media who made so much about some dickheads in Great Britain writing Ohio residents telling them not to vote for Bush.
 
Perhaps we should think hard about how world leaders will think of our electing a woman. Or maybe we shouldn't. Just throwing this one out there.


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  • SeanRenaud said on Dec 05, 2007....
    Honestly you need to rethink this.  Both Germany and France have elected pro-American, conservative leaders in the last few years.  Which means that Hillary might not go over well with France.  It also begs the question of with whom (that matters) have we lost respect under the Bush administration.  I would like to see some actual proof instead of just accepted it as fact cus someone said so.
     
    That said the idea that America should bases it's elections on what some other country might think about us is the absolute height of lunacy.  If Iran doesn't respect her because she's a woman, we'll just wait and see how she handles it.  I'm not going to change my vote based on the idea that Opec might mor might not be sexist idiots.  Should we not vote for Obama cus he's not white.
  • D6fer said on Dec 06, 2007....
    I don't think the issue is so much that she is a woman as it is that she is who she is!
    Golda  Meir  was one tough  leader....she commanded respect....hillary  is a lib 1st and foremost...weak by nature.....my guess is that if she  gets in , she  will  do much like bill did and sit back and do little to nothing....she will try to build the supreme court into a liberal one and let them do most of her dirty work....we probably would not see any major healthcare reform during the 1st term, unless she was certain she wouldn't be re-elected....she won't pull out of Iraq.
  • silverwhisper said on Dec 06, 2007....
    how did such nations handle margaret thatcher?

    ed
  • bloc said on Dec 06, 2007....
    "If they decide to cut production to boost oil prices, what will Hillary be able to do?"

    Um, the same as any american president. She will have be able to pull the same strings.
  • curmudgeon said on Dec 08, 2007....
    Golda / Maggie - great examples of strong female leaders. Hillary is nothing like them. My perception of Hillary is that she's more like Bill and Jimmy Carter - neither of whom dealt with our opponents very strongly at all.
     
    bloc - you have to have and hold strings in order to pull them. the question is whether or not hillary will have any leverage with the opec nations. her gender could very put her at a disadvantage, and because she's a weak lib as D6 points out she may be even weaker than this.
     
    quite frankly I agree - who we pick is our business, but I was just wondering how  folks think hillary might play on the world stage. thanks
  • crybabylu said on Dec 08, 2007....

    curmudgeon - I can't believe you are comparing Bill Clinton to President Carter.

    I could write volumes on the difference, but why bother, apparently, you are just posting whatever.......

     

     

     

    curmudgeon said about 9 hours

  • bloc said on Dec 08, 2007....
    your assertions are lame. America has power period. The president of america can use that power regardless of who they are. 
  • crybabylu said on Dec 08, 2007....

    curmudgeon - sorry about that copying and pasting of your user name at the bottom of my post.  I kept mispelling your user name, so finally I got tired of my inability (I kept leaving the r out for some reason) so i copied and pasted it, so I could spell it right, but then I erased it, so I don't know why it still showed up in my comments.

     

  • curmudgeon said on Dec 12, 2007....
    crybabylu - no problem!
     
    bloc - your critique is utterly unsupported and therefore equally lame.
  • bloc said on Dec 12, 2007....
    Hillary can impose sanctions, order air strikes, or whatever any other President can do. That is some of the support of my critique.
  • SeanRenaud said on Dec 12, 2007....
    Hillary will get the launch codes just as quickly as any other president has.  Is it possible certain nations won't respect her because she's a woman.  Possibly.  It'll be interesting to see how she deals with that. 
     
    I imagine she won't waste much time blowing something up.  A good show of force seems to be something that the nations you are talking about respect.
  • bloc said on Dec 12, 2007....
    i was thinking about this while eating lunch. Wouldn't it also be possible that some of these same countries wouldn't respect a christian president? Or a jewish one? 

    Does that mean we shouldn't vote for them either?
  • SeanRenaud said on Dec 12, 2007....
    Wht other countires think shouldn't have any effect on our politics here obviously.  That was the second paragraph of the very first response on this threat.
     
    Don't be silly, a Jew can't win an election.  A Mormon is having a hard enough time.  :-P
  • curmudgeon said on Dec 16, 2007....
    In case you haven't noticed, bloc, we've had more than a few Christian presidents, who were to some degree respected and not respected by other leaders. If a Republican woman were elected president she'd likely run into the same sexism I think Hillary may run into.
     
    I just love how you guys are so willing to go right to bullying tactics in dealing with difficult opponents. No talk of consensus building, noegotiation and relationship maintenance. Just right to bucks and bullets. Right away Hillary is bombing some poor slobs who won't deal with her because she is who she is.
     
    Personally, I think she's a bit smarter than that. If she really can't make inroads, she'll probably send good ol' Bill in there to charm the - ahem - pants off whoever has a beef with her. If that don't work, THEN she'll send in the B-2s.
  • bloc said on Dec 17, 2007....
    i didn't say we should go to bullying right away. What I'm doing is pointing out that hillary will have the same power as any other U.S. President

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