elle-they don't choose do be hated, they are because radical sections of their group like to dress in drag and parade down the street, the bad ones overshadow the good ones.
Sean-your right, all people should get the same government benefits, marriage is for husband and wife because that's what works and maintaining a stable society
desert- good points, except I don't think divorce rates are a reason to scrap and entire institution.
smb - -"If you are such of a candy ass you can't debate the issues, etc. etc." Perhaps you aren't aware that the above statement you wrote in your comments is offensive.
Now, I realize this is your blog and all, and we debate issues sometimes......but I still thought you were a genuine person, who is sincere, who just thinks differently on some subjects......but when you go and say something like that, you are saying something a whole lot different than simply debating marriage between a man and a woman.
Sean--Do you know what candy ass implies?
I agree about anonymous posters, that is why I have blocked them on my site, and although smb have our share of arguments (which probably both of us enjoy), I enjoy reading, for the most part, his comments. So, I guess I was just kind of shocked at the word usage.
Lets be clear here, I look at homosexuality as deviant behavior just the same as non-married heterosexuals that go out and screw everything they see. The fabric of our society is held together by the values we were all raised with. Just letting someone crap all over the institution of marriage because they want to be recognized as normal is wrong. We aren't ready for this yet. If we just let any group of deviates (that's harsh but read my previous statement) marry then we have to recognize their lifestyle as normal behavior. Are we ready to teach our kids that homosexuality is normal behavior?
marriage is not a right, it's a privilage. Everyone is allowed this privilage if they follow the guidlines in the constitution.
Sean/Bloc- we can give everyone the same benefits without tearing the institution of marriage down. Marriage is a good thing that promotes social welfare and procreation.
Crybabylu-If someone speaks anonymous then they have no business being in the debate. I look at anon's as the same as people who are "independent" when they are actually either ragingly Liberal or Conservative and in reality they are just cowards.
My "candyass" comment honestly wasn't a slur against gays, it's kind of like calling someone a whimp.
"My "candyass" comment honestly wasn't a slur against gays, it's kind of like calling someone a whimp."(cut and pasted from smb's comments about remark made to anonymous.)
In all due respect to you, SMB, (afterall, I realize this is "uncensored blogging", I was just surprised, And, no offense, I believe if you wanted to say whimp, you would have said "whimp" But, I do see where whimp would have easily fit in the context use used.
Sean-First of all the comparison of Blacks and Gays is ridiculous, homosexuality is a mental disorder, being Black is not and there really isn't much choice in being Black either.
Please enlighten me on what rights are barred from Gays.
And good God why is even the hint of anything religion brought out and you people cry seperation of church and state. Marriage is in the Constitution defined as a union between a man and a woman. Everyone (including gays) play the seperation of church and state card every chance they get and when they get married where does it happen? In a church, that is hilarious, this is why this isn't about marriage or gay rights, it's about stomping down anything religious.
The main point here is are we ready for this? How can we tell our kids that homosexuality is a bad thing then at the same time recognize it as normal behavior? It doesn't work that way. Is it better to teach our kids that it's all right to go screw whoever you want man or woman or teach them that it's better to go find someone they can settle down with?
I've said many times if two people or three people or a person and his horse can prove they financially depend on each other and a loss will cause a major hardship then obviously they should get the same benefits, this has nothing to do with being gay or anything. Marriage is an important part of society and letting anyone just define it around their own perversions is wrong.
"Marriage is in the Constitution defined as a union between a man and a woman"
Please show me where the Constitution defines marriage. Please.
Bloc- I stand corrected, hell must have frozen over, you are right and I am wrong. I honestly thought there was a text in the Constitution about marriage and their isn't. States have the power to marry, and gender is not mentioned. So pat yourself on the back :)
This is dumb on many levels. First, many of us don't believe that homosexuality is a bad thing. Second, even if it is bad it only hurts the participants and the idea of freedom is that people should be allowed to do things that don't hurt others."
Bloc lets step outside the political arena for moment and step into the parental place. Lets say hypothetically you have a 16 year old son who comes home and says another boy hit on him and wants to perform oral sex and sodomy on him and would like him to do the same back. Your son says, "I don't know Dad I'm a little confused, is it normal for me to have sexual relations with another male?"
What do you say, as a parent?
There are limits to our freedom, stepping over the majority of the people in this country who are not comfortable with a lifestyle yet, because they want us to validate their behavior is wrong. Are their studies on how homosexuality effects kids? Is it genetic or environment or mental that a person is not attracted to the opposite sex? We don't know enough about this subject to just open the floodgates.
"I'm curious about your view here. What if we setup a legal partnership that people could enter into which wasn't called marriage. Would you accept that?"
Bloc-my answer to this is yes.
bloc I agree with you (holy shit hell has frozen over!) but I very rarely delete anyone. Since I've been here I've only deleted anti-war links from that wacko "oceanwaves" who I think is "sheltercrow" now. I don't understand the anon's but who knows it could be someone we know.
Sean-this is where this debate has gotten out of hand, the gay marriage issue is not a rights, sex, religious, issue it's about protecting an institution that is beneficial to society. And don't you find straight guys who cry about sodomy and at the same time want to sodomize their girlfriends and watch pornography that contains the same thing quite hypocrytical?
This is not really a sex issue, who you are having sex with is nobody's business.
Yes, actually - this IS a sex issue.
I'm not sure if you noticed, stopmediabias, but anatomically speaking - males are NOT designed to have sex with other males. Men were designed to have sex with women and women with men. Hence why women have the reproductive organs they do (uterus, ovaries and such) and men don't. If Bob and Larry could procreate, they would have been given the neccesary tools for the job.
Do we need to review basic anatomy?
What is repulsive too one person is not too another. As bloc made a very good point there are some people who think oral sex horrible.
But this opens an interesting can of worms.
Why is it so disgustingly repulsive to a straight man the thoughts of two men together sexually (I will admit I fit into this catagory) and at the same time are not nearly as disgusted when two woman are together sexually? It doesn't seem to be as taboo when technically it is still same sex sex. Look at the Madonna/Spears kiss on MTV, there was outrage but no near the outrage if it was Justin Timberlake/Ricky Martin.